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[tantek] should we document the explicit list of banned subdomain logins https://github.com/indieweb/mediawiki-extensions/blob/main/LassoAuth.php#L20 somewhere on the wiki explicitly? or at least link to it? though not sure from where
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[tantek] gRegor++ well documented.
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[tantek] capjamesg, [Paul_Robert_Ll] I just found https://joinfediverse.wiki/Main_Page and am curious to hear your impressions of various UI / content choices, and if there any ideas there that resonate with you that would make sense to adopt in some form to improve the IndieWeb wiki
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gregorlove.com edited /Micro.blog (+139) "/* Indieweb Examples */ capitalization, update my line" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+52) "add number of articles" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+5) "pages icon" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ like this, I added the number of pages / Stats link to the Wiki Resources sidebar
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aaronpk neat
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[tantek] I saw the article count at the top of the joinfediverse wiki and I was like wait, how many articles do we have?
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[tantek] digging through 3 nested templates later...
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aaronpk mediawiki is always full of surprises
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gRegor We have almost a mile of pages
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gRegor 1 pg = 1 ft, obviously, haha
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[Joe_Crawford] there was that article recently about the maximum possible legitimate pdf square footage being like... Europe-sized.
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[Joe_Crawford] a mile of wiki seems terse and compact relative to that.
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2024/02/homebrew-website-club-pacific-8XN2AGgxMoXH events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe created /events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific (+2568) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+116) "02/14 HWCs" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific (-174) "cleanup" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Feb 14, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/573/history/1597/diff
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2024-02-14-hwc-europe (-108) "event name in dfn" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "Feb 14, 2024 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/569/history/1598/diff
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gRegor capjamesg, know where the "PS" came after the date with Cali here? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific&oldid=93279
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gregorlove.com edited /events/2024-02-14-hwc-pacific (-2) "-PS" (view diff)
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[Jo] [Paul_Robert_Ll] I think i found a bug on the new wiki theme, when i click on the meatballs menu nothing really pops out?
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[Jo] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2024/02/meta-20240216-070014-ezgif-4-06e8aba278.gif
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[Jo] It works on mobile though
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dead.garden edited /Main_Page-de (+8118) "Falls jemandem bessere Formulierungen einfallen, bitte bearbeiten. Auch eine Zweitkontrolle der Kommasetzung + Rechtschreibung wäre ratsam. Ich habe mich am principles-de Artikel orientiert und daher als Anrede das große Du gewählt. Bei einigen Punkten bin ich mir unsicher, ob ich den original Text richtig verstanden bzw übertragen habe" (view diff)
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sknebel Jo++
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] [Jo] Known issue! This is appearing because we currently hide the login link (as it links to a page with a login link to the IndieLogin page :zany_face:). But there’s possibly a MediaWiki setting so that we can change the links in this menu that [aaronpk] mentioned the other day: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Hooks/SkinTemplateNavigation::Universal. If we can change that link, we can remove the CSS hiding it and that menu
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] should work properly.
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] [tantek] I like the directness of that Fediverse wiki homepage. Clear headings, clear links to Getting started, getting help etc. and also links to projects that instantly provide ‘social proof’ that the Fediverse is a thing and people are using/building upon it. I think our homepage is nice because it actually shows some people on it and highlights the community aspect.
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Main_Page-ru (+132) "Add edit home page link" (view diff)
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Main_Page-tr (+287) "Add edit home page link (alongside links to other wiki resources)" (view diff)
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Main_Page-fr (-59) "There’s now a German-language homepage" (view diff)
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /Main_Page-nb (-50) "There’s now a German-language homepage" (view diff)
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2024/homepage (+287) "Reorganise page to talk about separate initiatives, make first of these use past tense" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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aaronparecki.com edited /MediaWiki:Common.css (-161) "login link is now overridden by the Vouch extension so we can show it again" (view diff)
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aaronpk ^^
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aaronpk login link is back
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[tantek] The other Vouch extension 😂
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Thanks [aaronpk]! Seems like the little dropdown menu still appears on desktop layout, even though it contains no items. Will investigate.
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aaronpk yeah, not sure what that is
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Also, it looks like the sidebar menu is hidden by default, and its visibility preference not saved, if you are signed out. Might need to add a style override to force it to display for signed out users.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[tantek] aaronpk any idea why the order of HWCs is flipped in this week's newsletter?
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[tantek] normally London/EU shows up first bc it's earlier in absolute Z terms
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aaronpk interesting
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[tantek] also massive showing for HWC EU
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aaronpk it pulls them from here https://events.indieweb.org/archive
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[tantek] I kinda want to put that next to (before? after?) the old HWC photo on the homepage to show critical mass in the HWC EU meetups
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[tantek] how do we feel about hotlinking an image from events.indieweb into http://indieweb.org?
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[tantek] or should we always upload everything to the wiki?
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gRegor Ah, weird timezone thing on the Pacific dt-start: 2024-02-14PST18:00:00-08:00
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aaronpk i do have the better backup scripts running on the wiki right now, apparently my flatten-and-git backup of events.indieweb.org didn't make the server transition
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gRegor That's probably where the "PS" came from when I archived with Cali yesterday
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aaronpk but theoretically they are equivalent in terms of ownership and backup
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gRegor EU/London has: 2024-02-14GMT19:00:00+00:00
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[tantek] whoa that is bad
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aaronpk wtf haha
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aaronpk how in the world
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[tantek] uh, aaronpk, did you touch Meetable datetime stringifying recently?!?
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aaronpk possibly?
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gRegor yo dawg, we heard you like timezones
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[tantek] or did PHP datetime string printing change in a noncompat way?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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aaronpk i've been doing a bunch of changes recently
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[tantek] I don't trust any native language datetime functions
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[tantek] they all have very weird bugs (or assume/assert artificial precision, or both)
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gRegor I'm not aware of any PHP datetime changes
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aaronpk aha yep
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aaronpk forgot to backslash the T
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aaronpk turns out T is the timezone identifier
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gRegor ah, that would do it
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[tantek] reinforces the "if you see something (unexpectedly different from before), say something"
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gRegor !tell capjamesg ignore my question about the "PS" in that archived event, we sorted it out in Meetable
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] good catch gRegor noticing the PS weirdness
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aaronpk ok pushed
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capjamesg Excellent!
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capjamesg Thank you!
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capjamesg gRegor++
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tantek.com edited /stream.indieweb.org (+35) "see also the chat archive" (view diff)
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gRegor Reading scrollback, I've not heard "meatballs menu" for the three dots icon, but I love it. :D
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gRegor datetimes look good on the individual events now
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[tantek] yeah this needs expansion to distinguish the vertical vs horizontal shish/meatballs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamburger_button
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sknebel people have done soo many variations of those
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aaronpk let's see what happens with the next newsletter generation
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gRegor The archive page still has Pacific first, maybe that list is cached though
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sknebel https://www.yellowslice.in/bed/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/How-to-Select-the-Correct-Menu-Icon-for-the-Website-Navigation-banner.jpg
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aaronpk pacific first there makes sense because it's reverse chronological
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gRegor haha that's great sknebel
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[Jo] I always forget the three vertical dots are called kebab menu i think that term is my favourite
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aaronpk a newsletter from 2 weeks ago shows pacific first https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-02.html
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aaronpk so no change
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[Jo] Oh wow thats a lot of people in pacific that week
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[tantek] good point aaronpk!
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aaronpk but good to find that bug anyway!
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sknebel ah,2 weeks ago was the day I got up really early :D
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[tantek] yeah we gotta figure out how to cluster seemingly duplicate (but actually multiple sequential instances) events
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GWG sknebel: We loved having you
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aaronpk like the two europe/london ones there?
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aaronpk oh and germany
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[tantek] right
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[tantek] IWC Brighton is lost in the middle of all that
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aaronpk obvious heuristic is looking for the matching name
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[tantek] similar to the heuristic for the Event Notes presumably?
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aaronpk i do not remember writing that code
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aaronpk aha that's because I didn't! https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/commit/1854c34be8b532d4b78fb6d267262b9a2e17a940
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aaronpk gRegor++
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[jeremycherfas] Falafel menu, for those who prefer plant-based metaphors.
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gRegor yum
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] It might be worth being more explicit on that page about different types of ownership
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[aciccarello] I think the short description is fairly clear, but there's a long list of links in See Also that may not all be using the same definition of ownership
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[KevinMarks] The one from Molly White that I added last week is really thorough and might be a good basis for organising the page.
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[tantek] falafelmenu++
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[tantek] from the "Top Edited Wiki Pages", gee I wonder what happened this week? 🙂
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[tantek] but in all seriousness, with aaronpk fixing the login links again, are we all set? for official "launch" of the design update?
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[tantek] [Paul_Robert_Ll] what are we waiting for? Or are you already writing the blog post?
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aaronpk Wait what else is left to launch? I thought it's launched already
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[tantek] Like a blog post in the newsletter announcing it! Right now there's no obvious evidence in it no 🎉🎉🎉 etc.
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aaronpk Aha
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[tantek] I think sometimes we (IndieWeb) undermarket ourselves
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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tantek.com edited /2024/homepage (+146) "/* Rollout */ Friday 16 February login link is back" (view diff)
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[tantek] If anyone wants to work on a new design launch blog post, like collectively in an Etherpad, there's a lot of factual source material here: https://indieweb.org/2024/homepage#Rollout (and on that page in general for the full effort)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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gRegor what is rel-subscribe
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Loqi rel-subscribe is an experimental rel value for linking from your home page to your subscription endpoint, and is currently prototyped by Aaron Parecki on aaronparecki.com; try the Follow button at https://aaronparecki.com/follow or any permalink https://indieweb.org/rel-subscribe
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gRegor I know there is this bot https://indieweb.social/@ThisWeekInIndieWeb, but have we thought about setting up one that will publish photos like we used to do on Twitter?
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aaronpk i forgot about that bot
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aaronpk i mean the "real" way would be to use bridgy fed so that the bot is actually @indieweb.org 😂
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aaronpk i do wish it was as easy to set up an AP bot as it is to make a web page with h-feed 😞
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[KevinMarks] That is bridgy fed
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aaronpk i meant more existentially. it shouldn't require bridgy fed
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[KevinMarks] That's the difference between AP in theory (an outbox feed) and AP in practice (a lot of wrangling webfinger and broken signature specs)
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[tantek] ^ now THAT is worth a blog post. start with the use-case [KevinMarks] then walk through what it takes to actually make it work, noting which pieces are faff
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[tantek] and conclusion, which pieces AP implementations should stop requiring (simpler fallbacks) in order to make such use-cases simpler to build/publish
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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jacky aaronpk: there's folks who've done RSS-to-AP bots
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jacky but I guess there's also the (vanity) addressing that's more important
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[KevinMarks] I'm old enough to remember when activity streams was Atom
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[tantek] that still needs a evolutionary diagram
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[KevinMarks] I should do that whole cladistics some time. The point of original OpenSocial was to avoid context collapse by helping you to run code within a social context
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Loqi agreed.
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[tantek] [Paul_Robert_Ll] hopefully https://tantek.com/2024/047/t1/indieweb-major-update-design is factually correct and acceptable! Happy to add anything key I missed or correct any mistakes ASAP
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] New this week: the #IndieWeb community deployed a major modern update to the design, usability, and cross-device support of the https://indieweb.org/ home page and wiki in general! In brief: * Updated MediaWiki install, updated themes, better mobile...
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html
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[tantek] well it's not ideal but it's also not horrible: https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-02-16.html#news
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[tantek] I have some work to do to figure out how to better syndicate to IndieNews
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] [tantek] Read fine to me. Thanks for writing this up so quickly!
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[tantek] phew!
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[tantek] [Paul_Robert_Ll] definitely still work your perspective on the whole process if you want to blog about it!
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[tantek] still worth* your perspective
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] I might write something this weekend. Also – we now have a proper German-language version of the homepage, thanks to Dead.garden!
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[KevinMarks] Jo++
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[tantek] whoa! https://indieweb.org/Main_Page-de looks great [Jo]++
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[tantek] yes please mention the updated different language home pages, I totally forgot that!
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[Paul_Robert_Ll] Jo++
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capjamesg Jo++
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