#meta 2024-03-05

2024-03-05 UTC
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[tantek] oof is it done & offline?
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gRegor Yeah, domain is up and says the last newsletter sent. Offering a 1-month Mailchimp promo. I never found docs for exporting newsletters, just subscribers
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gRegor One would hope since they're nudging people to the main service, the old newsletters aren't lost, but who knows (no direct experience with TinyLetter)
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gregorlove.com edited /TinyLetter (+390) "/* How to export data */ "hacky workaround" export newsletter option from 2020" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] My RSS to email subscription setup from Mailer lite is getting shut down due to reductions to their free tier. I'll be setting up MailChimp soon.
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[jeremycherfas] Let me recommend Buttondown. Very responsive team, good service, very IndieWeb oriented. I can refer you, I think.
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[lcs] Does buttondown have a WordPress integration? I'm looking for a better option than MailPoet.
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[lcs] Actually maybe writing by hand is better
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[lcs] Ooof
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[lcs] $29/month to host on a custom domain is a little rich for me
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[aciccarello] I have basically no email followers so I'm looking to keep things free for now.
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GWG I'm thinking of building something to funnel my mailing lists into a transactional mail service
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GWG I found a product that looks like it might handle some of the code and give me a simple API
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GWG There was a product for WordPress I tried, but it wasn't worth it for the cost after the beta ended...it handled replies to the mailing list as comments on the post... which is a feature I'd love again
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[lcs] That's an interesting feature.
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GWG Yes.
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GWG I like interactivity
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[dominik] Tinyletter had an export feature for the last couple of months before they closed down. They also contacted people pretty early and let them know about the shutdown. When it comes to product shutdowns it was about as well handled as one could realistically hope for.
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[dominik] I switched to Buttondown, too. It's not bad.
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paulrobertlloyd.com edited /2024/Brighton (+515) "Add some details about remote participation" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Seems like https://indieweb.org/2011/Smallest_Federated_Wiki should be split into a page for the (ongoing) project and the existing content from the 2011 session
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[tantek] yes that's likely
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[tantek] probably because of redirects right?
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[tantek] what is SFW
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/SFW
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[tantek] lol
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tantek.com deleted /Smallest_Federated_Wiki "project should have its own page separate from session. content was: "#REDIRECT [[2011/Smallest Federated Wiki]]", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Gregorlove.com|Gregorlove.com]]" ([[User talk:Gregorlove.com|talk]])"
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tantek.com created /Smallest_Federated_Wiki (+117) "stub" (view diff)
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[tantek] aciccarello, there you go, a stub: https://indieweb.org/Smallest_Federated_Wiki — feel free to start splitting content from the /2011/Smallest_Federated_Wiki page
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[tantek] what is SFW
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Loqi Smallest Federated Wiki is a project that was discussed at the first IndieWebCamp https://indieweb.org/SFW
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tantek.com edited /2011/Schedule (+10) "link to session page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2011/Schedule (-5) "/* Sunday, June 26, 2011 (Work Sessions) */ hack session was about the project" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2011-created (+5) "update to where the originally created page moved to" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /fedwiki (-5) "update redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /FedWiki (-5) "update redirect" (view diff)
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gRegor Good to hear about TinyLetter export. Can you update the wiki if there's any info about it / it's still working, [dominik]?
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gRegor what is buttondown
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Loqi Buttondown is a hosted newsletter service designed for personal use https://indieweb.org/Buttondown
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[dominik] It's not working anymore, you can't log in anymore
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gRegor Ok
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[aciccarello] Cool, working on those changes
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www.ciccarello.me edited /Smallest_Federated_Wiki (+2389) "Move current details from 2011 page" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /2011/Smallest_Federated_Wiki () "(-2208) Move current details to a separate project page" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Anyone know if someone is using wiki.js? Should we create a page for that so https://indieweb.org/wiki-projects can be cleaned up? Or should we simply drop the comparisons?
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[aciccarello] Looks like that was pulled in from another page
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[aciccarello] https://indieweb.org/User:Doug.holton.space was the original person to write up the wiki.js stuff I think
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gRegor sounds good to me
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tantek.com edited /2011/Smallest_Federated_Wiki (+61) "update dfn to being about the session, add project link prominently at top" (view diff)
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[tantek] what was wiki.js
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki.js" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wiki.js is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm, is there any IndieWeb relevance to wiki.js? I guess it's in the category of software one could self-host?
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[tantek] perhaps that's good enough for now
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[tantek] aciccarello in the interest of not losing information about it, go ahead and move all the details about it to its own page
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[tantek] we can re-assess at some point later if it's too not-relevant to delete
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[aciccarello] Will do
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[tantek] aciccarello++ for splitting up /SFW and /2011/SFW
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Loqi aciccarello has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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loqi.me created /2011/SFW (+69) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2011/SFW (-27) "fix Loqi's redirect fail" (view diff)
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[tantek] darn it Loqi
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[tantek] this was the failed command: 2011/SFW is /2011/Smallest Federated Wiki
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[tantek] does Loqi not like spaces in wiki page names? or must spaces be turned into _ for that "is" redirect syntax to work?
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www.ciccarello.me created /Wiki.js (+2372) "create page" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /wiki-projects () "(-2351) /* Wikijs */ move content to dedicated page" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /User:Gregorlove.com/test (+41) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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gRegor yeah, looks like MW bracket syntax works if there's a space
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gRegor Or the underscores
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www.ciccarello.me edited /own_your_data (+0) "/* See Also */ organize wiki links so they are grouped together" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /own_your_likes (+22) "Add "OwnYour" category" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /own_your_links (+22) "Add "OwnYour" category" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Why does "own your data" appear under the quote mark on this category page https://indieweb.org/Category:OwnYour 😕
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gRegor Different category name specified on that page: [[Category:OwnYour|"Own Your"]]
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www.ciccarello.me edited /own_your_data (-32) "/* See Also */ remove obsolete media link (more relevant to [[storage]])" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Interesting. Probably can normalize that
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gRegor Yeah, can probably just remove the alternate category name "Own Your"
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www.ciccarello.me edited /storage (+60) "/* See Also */ add museum of obsolete media (was on [[own your data]])" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /own_your_data (-11) "fix cat" (view diff)
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gRegor now they're grouped right
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[aciccarello] Cool, I'm hoping I'll be able to do more wiki editing
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[aciccarello] I'm realizing that it's a key piece for being more friendly to newcomers.
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[aciccarello] I would like to do some disambiguation on the "own your data" page since people define that differently (see citation needed newsletter link)
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gRegor [aciccarello]++ awesome. always more wiki gardening to do :)
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yousefamar.com edited /2024/Brighton (+33) "/* Participation */" (view diff)