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tantek.com edited /Alexa (+1078) "dfn link smart speaker, No IndieWeb examples (relevance?), Criticism, listening, recording, training based on real user conversations" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Alexa (+983) "/* Criticism */ Allegations of violating children’s privacy law" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell [Paul_Robert_Ll] attempted extraction & clean-up of "Project plans" before people started making/noting progress, and without demo notes: https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton/Projects
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# tantek.com edited /2024/Brighton (+161) "/* Posts */ add my summary post of what I created" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] More cleanup is needed like sorting by date and improving the citation formatting but that should at least put things in clearer headings.
# [aciccarello] I wonder if any the criticism should be removed as no longer relevant.
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# [tantek] not bad to increase the scope of #microformats no, however it may be marginally worse to increase the amount of topics overlap between #indieweb-dev & #microformats because it will increase confusion about where to ask what, and potentially fork topics where people in one won't see what people in the other are asking/answering
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Loqi "Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" call started, join now: https://events.indieweb.org/2024/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-GV5lp1Q1B6nz
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
# Loqi [Event Updated] marksuth.dev updated "Mar 13, 2024 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/577/history/1610/diff
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aaronpk maybe not, that's weird i only see an "update" method, but not a method to create a chat message https://developers.zoom.us/docs/api/rest/reference/zoom-api/methods/#operation/updateMeetingChatMessageById
# aaronpk aha it's a chatbot API, not meeting API https://developers.zoom.us/docs/api/rest/reference/chatbot/methods/#operation/sendChatbot
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb guides" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieweb guides is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi IndieWebGuides is a documentation project Calum Ryan started at IndieWebCamp Nuremberg 2017 following the outcome of previous onboarding sessions at IndieWebCamps https://indieweb.org/IndieWebGuides
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gRegor indieweb guides is /IndieWebGuides
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loqi.me created /indieweb_guides (+27) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
# Loqi 🎉 Get started on the indieweb by connecting with the IndieWeb community, getting a personal domain, a place for your content, and setting up your home page and other IndieWeb essentials https://indieweb.org/Tutorials
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "guides" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "guides is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "guide" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "guide is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] The tool specific tutorials? The ones on IndieWebGuides seem a little more evergreen, and broader. I think you could structure guides to be generalist, and link to the pages on the wiki that are more current/changing.
# [tantek] Each of those Tutorials (except one) was nearly completely authored by only a single person, and then not updated since it was initially written and edited in 2017 or 2019. The only exception is the general "Getting Started With WordPress" tutorial which GWG has kept updated, pretty much singlehandedly
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[capjamesg] [Paul_Robert_Ll] I love the idea of guides. They may be frozen in time, but that doesn't mean they cannot be incredibly useful. For example, I wrote a "guide" at work last year that I just learned has been sent to customers every week to solve their problems.
# [capjamesg] *a specific problem
# [capjamesg] I was a bit dissuaded from pursuing this a few years ago because I thought it was a Herculean task. I probably would have made more progress starting with one specific problem that I knew I could help solve.
# [tantek] depends if the subject matter is rapidly changing or not. in the IndieWeb where tools, usability, services *are* rapidly changing, any attempt at a Guide quickly (in 6mo or less) goes out of date, and unless someone else picks up the update-labor, they become more sources of frustration to new folks than helpful
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] I think this page, for example is where I’m at: https://indiewebguides.org/guide-1/
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] It mirrors a lot of the discussions we were having at the weekend. There’s a lot to understand and that can be explained that arguably hasn’t changed in 35 years!
# Loqi One of the quickest ways to start owning both your online identity and your own data in an IndieWeb friendly fashion is to choose a pre-existing platform that provides a variety of building blocks https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start
# [tantek] contrast the out of date Indiewebguides with https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Agreed. But there’s value in even explaining the difference between self-hosted and hosted, pros and cons of each approach etc.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Choosing a domain is pretty central concept of the IndieWeb, and something you’d soon come up against whatever option you choose. What name should you choose, how do domains work, you can register a domain but use it with different services, etc.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] There’s possibly a progressive disclosure approach you could take to all this, starting high level (why have a website), and build from there.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Rather than have a comparison table, which soon goes out of date, explain things to look for. Which might be different if want to have a portfolio site versus a blog versus an online CV.
# [tantek] I'm going out on a limb and going to unscientifically claim that we're at the point where 95% if not 99% of the people interested in "IndieWeb" or "owning their data" have ZERO interest in becoming web admin hobbyist, which is literally what you have to do for any CMS, SSG, or anything to do with "web hosting" today, or decisions like "self-hosted vs hosted"., so focusing on that 5% (more like 1% IMO) is really missing the forest for a very
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Well, that sounds like something you’d want to explain in a guide 😉
# Loqi "Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" call ended https://events.indieweb.org/2024/03/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-GV5lp1Q1B6nz
# aaronpk going to add some more notes here https://indieweb.org/discuss#events_meetups_channel
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aaronparecki.com edited /discuss (+1344) "/* events meetups channel */ use cases, voting" (view diff)
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# [tantek] hey omg.lol fans, should it be listed in this table? https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start
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[KevinMarks] Yes, it fits
# [KevinMarks] And it has a very good time to live site
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