#meta 2024-05-24

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gRegor ooh, what's new on indielogin?
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aaronpk new client_id behavior
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed aaronpk/indielogin.com to https://indielogin.com
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aaronpk and now fedcm
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed aaronpk/indielogin.com to https://indielogin.com
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aaronpk mostly just wanted to do that as an exercise of what it takes to add support to another RP
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aaronpk in retrospect, it's a pretty weird experience to log in that way because of how indielogin.com sits in the middle
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aaronpk ideally the wiki would be able to do it natively but that is more complicated because of how it interacts with the auth-reverse-proxy
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] !tell GWG do you have the recording for the IWC DUS personal site intros? https://indieweb.org/2024/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Intros
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG I uploaded everything that was recorded. Are we sure we recorded the Intros?
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GWG I'll double check either way
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[tantek] huh I was pretty sure we did
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[tantek] remember the whole disclaimer you made about where to sit/stand if you don't want to be in the Introductions video?
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[snarfed] is this the right place to report https://indieweb.org/ CSS bugs?
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[tantek] yup!
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[snarfed] on the home page, logged out, the three dots menu in the top right doesn't seem to work. both current firefox and current chrome, macos, desktop
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[tantek] ouch
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[snarfed] I see an edge of it, but the actual menu isn't there
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[tantek] ah, that's because it's empty, in which case should it disappear? on a wide display, the login item is displayed next to the three dots menu thing.
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[tantek] if you narrow your window you will eventually see the login item disappear and be hidden (or aligned) below the three dots menu button
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[tantek] so it's a bit weird, but no functionality is broken AFAIK
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[snarfed] sure! the empty menu UX itself is pretty bad, esp the border edge that appears when you click that makes it _seem_ like something is broken and not appearing
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[snarfed] ...but sure, not claiming that functionality is broken, just a UI bug
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[snarfed] and agreed, hiding the menu button when it's empty seems like the right answer
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[tantek] lets see if I can find where to file an issue
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[tantek] hmm, idk which repo to file that under in https://github.com/orgs/indieweb/repositories
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/wiki
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Loqi [preview] [indieweb] wiki: Wiki backup and issue tracking for indieweb.org
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capjamesg GWG I sent you the recording for site demos via your website contact form.
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capjamesg I recorded that one.
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[tantek] oh! thanks capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (197 in all channels)
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GWG I'll fix that then
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-191) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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aaronpk alright... time to make a new channel
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capjamesg aaronpk Yay!
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Loqi :D
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aaronparecki.com created /discuss_(archive) (+2350) "create page and move #indieweb-random discussion here" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /discuss () "(-1693) update with new #indieweb-random details" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok it's all set
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cophee Would there be a possibility for some kind of feature that allows people to duck in + out of a call (like discord channels/slack huddles)?
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cophee Feel like it would be cool if someone wants some help with their site + we can hop on if we’re free or feel like it to help out
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aaronpk like an actual zoom call?
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cophee aaronpk: Not sure what would work best!
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cophee I like that Discord’s voice channels are always open
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cophee But it wouldn’t work across the different platforms
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aaronpk i guess you could always just use a jitsi room https://meet.jit.si/
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aaronpk capjamesg[d] does me reording the channels in discord affect it for everyone or just me?
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capjamesg aaronpk[d] Everyone.
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aaronparecki.com edited /IRC (-276) "add note about group registration on libera" (view diff)
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capjamesg Meta should not be above random.
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capjamesg I'd argue this is the least approachable channel given the number of Loqi prompts and associated logs.
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aaronpk hm maybe we can use channel groups to make this clearer too
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capjamesg Yep!
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aaronpk i almost want meta to be in its own category
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aaronpk maybe meta and stream together? what would that be called?
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capjamesg Yeah. The name is hard.
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capjamesg Meta? 😂
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aaronpk haha
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capjamesg "Community"
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capjamesg * Meta (not Facebook)
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aaronpk isn't community the whole thing?
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capjamesg 😄
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capjamesg Yeah. Meta is good for now.
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capjamesg Chat is below microformats? Is that intentional?
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capjamesg (I don't have any objection to that.)
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aaronpk yeah to deprioritize it
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capjamesg Maybe we should rename "Text Channels" to something else. "Discuss"?
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aaronpk yeah, "text channels" is just the discord default right?
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capjamesg Yeah.
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capjamesg Should dev be before random?
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aaronpk i think so? those are the two "main" channels
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capjamesg Random isn't visible for everyone.
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aaronpk oh no what happened
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aaronpk i don't see any special permissions on it
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capjamesg One sec.
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capjamesg Okay, I just added it to the Onboarding sequence.
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capjamesg For reference: You can go to Server Settings -> Onboarding -> Preview to see the Discord like a new user.
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aaronpk i don't see that option
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aaronpk oh there it is
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aaronpk weird, clicking onboarding jumped me in to the menu an extra level deep
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cophee capjamesg[d]: BAHAHAH
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cophee maybe logistics
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capjamesg I did an [at]everyone message in #indieweb-random so everyone should have the channel in their list.
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capjamesg It's weird there is not an "invite all" button somewhere.
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capjamesg And all new users by default are in the channel.
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capjamesg I think we're all set up on the Discord end.
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aaronpk woo
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capjamesg wing_wingpang_com_[d] I like your idea of a voice chat.
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cophee aaronpk: What about Matrix?
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aaronpk matrix shut down their official bridge so now matrix is only bridged if someone runs their own
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aaronpk so there's nothing we can do
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cophee that sucks!
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aaronpk eh it's fine, matrix was the worst UX out of all the options :P
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cophee aaronpk: 😂
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aaronpk i really wish this discord bridge worked better too. it joins random discord users to IRC, but then hits a connection limit, so the rest get routed through the main IWDiscord bot
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aaronpk so we have like 10 discord users joined in IRC, but it's 10 people who never say anything on discord
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cophee Ahhhh
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aaronpk the slack bridge joins people on demand, so it avoids the rate limits and slack users look better across platforms
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aaronpk but i didn't write the discord bridge, and i don't know enough Go to fix it
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cophee )):
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aaronpk if anyone feels like working on some Go code... https://github.com/qaisjp/go-discord-irc/issues/152
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #152 Prioritize active discord users for puppet accounts
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cophee aaronpk: kinda surprised there isn't a federated alternative to Discord
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aaronpk wouldn't that be matrix? haha
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cophee aaronpk: bad ux though 🥺
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aaronpk turns out chat is hard
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cophee thoughts on this?
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cophee https://www.rocket.chat/
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aaronpk i've used it before, it's pretty good
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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aaronpk etherpad is down for upgrades at the moment
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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pcarrier Is #indieweb-chat meant to disappear now?
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pcarrier As in, no longer exist, not have messages disappear. I still see it in Discord
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capjamesg It still has a purpose: to share ephermal things (i.e. links on calls that we don't want on the record).
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capjamesg But I think we're going to rename it?
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aaronpk no changes to #indieweb-chat have happened today
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aaronpk new #indieweb-random channel is live
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aaronpk now we can discuss the second part of the proposal which is to rename #indieweb-chat to something else, and figure out what new ephemeral behavior is best for it
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capjamesg #indieweb-no-history?
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/discuss#off_the_record_channel
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aaronpk etherpad is back online, and should now also be recognizing your wiki login
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capjamesg aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (137 in all channels)
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aaronpk oh crap wait it's not right
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aaronpk i don't understand why i can't get it to both let you log in and also allow guest users. the guest config is just being totally ignored
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pcarrier if we're gonna keep it, can we put my bot on it and leave X hours of history?
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aaronpk no, the plan is to do that with a new channel
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aaronpk not keep #indieweb-chat
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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aaronpk gah i can't get this to work right. i guess no auto usernames on etherpad oh well
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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gregorlove.com edited /discuss_(archive) (+25) "dfn" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /discuss (+2) "/* See Also */ fix discuss archive link" (view diff)
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[tantek] we don't tend to use parentheses in our page names
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[tantek] looking for a prior example of something archive
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[tantek] ah we do have this https://indieweb.org/principles/discussion
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[tantek] I also think it's inaccurate and does not reflect the proposal for random to say "it is a replacement for -chat"
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aaronparecki.com moved /discuss_(archive) to /discuss/past
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aaronpk discuss/discussion looked weird
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aaronpk where does it say "a replacement for -chat"?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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gRegor What should the topic for the random channel be in IRC? Does Discord have one already?
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aaronpk we should probably document what the channel topics should be for each platform on the wiki
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gRegor !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/front-end-study-hall-003-CHeoDn1hkrMq events/2024-05-23-front-end-study-hall
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2024-05-23-front-end-study-hall. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe created /events/2024-05-23-front-end-study-hall (+4264) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh good that still works after the etherpad upgrade
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capjamesg gRegor++ for archiving!
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Loqi gRegor has 57 karma in this channel over the last year (132 in all channels)
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[Joe_Crawford] gRegor++ yes!
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Loqi gRegor has 58 karma in this channel over the last year (133 in all channels)
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 23, 2024 12:00pm Front End Study Hall #003" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/607/history/1728/diff
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artlung.com uploaded /File:2024-05-23-FrESH.jpeg "Front End Study Hall 2024-05-23 https://indieweb.org/File:2024-05-23-FrESH.jpeg"
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gRegor What is FrESH
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FrESH" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "FrESH is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor FrESH is /Front End Study Hall
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Loqi ok
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gRegor ack
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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pcarrier[d] #indieweb-random not in #overview
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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capjamesg[d] pcarrier[d] Added!
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capjamesg[d] Great catch.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 15, 2024 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/599/history/1729/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 22, 2024 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/600/history/1730/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 22, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/609/history/1731/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 23, 2024 10:00am Homebrew Website Club (Global Edition)" changed description "+wiki notes" https://events.indieweb.org/event/610/history/1732/diff
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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[Jo] Angelo with a scythe in HWC?? 😂
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capjamesg[d] Why did nobody document the context of that 😂
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[Joe_Crawford] That scythe definitely deserves a comment.
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[Joe_Crawford] There's a link to https://scythesupply.com in the archived etherpad. He got to use an artisanal scythe to remove non-indigenous plants recently and had a wonderful time if I remember the summation right.
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[Joe_Crawford] A friend introduced it to him!
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gRegor Nice WinXP background in the HWC Europe photo, haha
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Loqi [Event Updated] artlung.com updated "May 23, 2024 12:00pm Front End Study Hall #003" changed summary "added summary change for the newsletter" https://events.indieweb.org/event/607/history/1733/diff
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[Joe_Crawford] I'm making an edit to the summary to add a little context.
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[Jo] ↩️ We even had the real thing in the meeting toward the end. We got very far into retro tech (hence the chiseled javascript insider)
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[Ros] Custom fit based on ground to hip ratio!
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Loqi [Event Updated] artlung.com updated "May 22, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed summary "added summary for newsletter" https://events.indieweb.org/event/609/history/1734/diff
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[Joe_Crawford] (feel free to augment that!)
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capjamesg[d] This discussion made me smile 😄
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capjamesg[d] "artisanal scythe" feels like an oxymoron.
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gRegor lol
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gRegor Not those mass manufactured ones you get at Walmart
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2024-05-24.html
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claudinec capjamesg and other global/Aussie HWC pekple: I've realised I can't commit to online meetups at 7pm Thursday (my time) as it's the end of my work week and I'm either on public transport or (if my time management has failed) still at the office. Either way I'm desperate to get away from screens at that time of the week :-(
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capjamesg[d] claudinec no worries!
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capjamesg[d] I know the feeling of wanting to be away from screens.
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capjamesg[d] Time when one can just be without any obligation is sacred.
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capjamesg[d] If you know anyone else who would like to join, let me know!
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capjamesg[d] We have a good group to keep the event sustainable!
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capjamesg[d] But the more, the merrierz
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capjamesg[d] *merrier
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claudinec I now have a week off to play with websites and music. But yeah global meetups and timezones are hard.
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capjamesg[d] That is exciting!
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