#meta 2024-12-30

2024-12-30 UTC
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tantek.com edited /2024-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+43) "created commitments for 2025!" (view diff)
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mat.tl deleted /homebrew "content was: "{{ stub }} <dfn>[http://brew.sh Homebrew]</dfn> is a package manager for OS X that is uses git and ruby scripts to install programs into /usr/local automagically. * I <3 homebrew. --<span class="h-card">{{sparkline|https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2926/14055807513_dea2b533b6_s.jpg}}[[User:Bret.io|Bret Comnes" target="_blank">User:Bret.io|Bret" target="_blank">https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2926/14055807513_dea2b533b6_s.jpg}}[[User:Bret.io|Bret Comnes]]</span> 12:39, 25 September 2014 (PDT)", and the only contributor was "[[Special:Contributions/Bret.io|Bret.io]]" ([[User talk:Bret.io|talk]])"
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mat.tl edited /border:none (+0) "/* IndieWeb Participants */" (view diff)
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mat.tl moved /Apache to /Apache_httpd
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mat.tl created /Open_Graph_Protocol_Tools (+223) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Open Graph Protocol Tools</dfn>''' is an open source [[WordPress]] plugin that supports Open Graph Protocol. {{Open Source}} [[Category:Software]] [[Category:Software:PHP]] [[Category:WordPress plugins]]"" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Vouch (+6) (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (-19) "link developer chat to wiki page" (view diff)
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gRegor what is Gandi
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gandi" yet. Would you like to create it?_Y (Or just say "Gandi is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] [mattl]++ thanks for all the wiki gardening!
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Loqi [mattl] has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (50 in all channels)
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gRegor what is Hover
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Loqi Hover is a domain registrar with good ux and customer service https://indieweb.org/Hover
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[tantek] gRegor I think Gandi is in a subsection of maybe DNS provider?
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gRegor yep, looking to add redirects for those
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gRegor Gandi is [[personal-domain#Opinions/Recommendations]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Gandi (+53) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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gRegor what is gandi
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Loqi A personal domain is a domain name that you personally own, control, and use to represent yourself on the internet https://indieweb.org/Gandi
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gRegor thoughts on redirecting those to that opinions/recommendation section?
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[tantek] aaronpk, I believe I had linked the Sidebar directly to the Dev chat UI due to feedback from capjamesg[d] of reducing the number of clicks to go from the sidebar to chatting
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gRegor Or should we create a subheading for each one and link to that?
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gRegor s/link/redirect/
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[tantek] I thought we had subheads somewhere of each one with IndieWeb folks who were using each listed in each
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[tantek] that way you could ask someone about their experience with it
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gRegor It's a bulleted list, not subheading
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[tantek] especially if they had previously used it and moved on for some reason
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/personal-domain#Opinions/Recommendations
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[tantek] huh, I'm probably confusing it with something else
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[tantek] also a "/" in a fragment is confusing lol
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gRegor haha
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[tantek] gRegor, feel free to restructure/rename that section as you see fit
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[tantek] I believe it grew semi-organically and could use some thoughtful rewriting in a way that is more readable/accessible/discoverable to new folks
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gRegor I'll start with subheadings
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gregorlove.com edited /personal-domain (+179) "/* Opinions and Recommendations */ subheadings" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Gandi (-19) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor what is Freenom
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Freenom" yet. Would you like to create it?_Z (Or just say "Freenom is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor Freenom is /personal-domain#Freenom
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /Freenom (+36) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /porkbun (+8) "r" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /domain_name_registrars (+12) "double redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /DNS_provider (+12) "double redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /DNS_registrar (+12) "double redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /domain_names (+12) "double redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /personal-domain (+320) "+Articles section, copy article from SA on /identity, which is a redirect page" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /identity (-72) "rm SA section with article. article now on /personal-domain#Articles" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /🆔 (+7) "double redirect" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /personal-domain (+24) "/* Opinions and Recommendations */ mv Google Domains down since migrated to Squarespace, link to Google Domains experience section" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com created /Porkbun (+37) "r" (view diff)
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gRegor Well that's a start :)
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gregorlove.com edited /Google_Domains (+250) "/* IndieWeb Experience */ update mine, link Porkbun" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG and I are observing that one of the things we try to avoid in this community is any sort of "purity" approach, e.g. asking folks to immediately abandon all silos.
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[tantek] We have certainly seen people evoke (invoke?) such a philosophy (purity) by their complaints about using Slack, or Discord, or POSSEing to places like Twitter
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[tantek] Makes me think it might be worth documenting "purity culture" as an actual explicit anti-pattern
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[tantek] Perhaps we could even rephrase (reframe?) what we encourage instead: pragmatism over purity
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GWG Thinking about the idea of adding a sentence on the mainpage of the wiki after, "We are a community of independent and personal websites based on the principles of: owning your domain and using it as your primary online identity, publishing on your own site first (optionally elsewhere), and owning your content." that reads simply, "There is no 'right' way to be part of the IndieWeb. or
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GWG something to that effect. Wondering what people think.
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[tantek] plurality << related blog post: 2019-03-01 {{gwg}}: [https://david.shanske.com/2019/03/01/thinking-about-bridging/ Thinking about Bridging]
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Loqi ok, I added "related blog post: 2019-03-01 {{gwg}}: [https://david.shanske.com/2019/03/01/thinking-about-bridging/ Thinking about Bridging]" to the "See Also" section of /pluralism https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=99324&oldid=98829
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gRegor Like the general direction. Would probably prefer a positive framing emphasizing /plurality rather than "no right way"
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gRegor Further down the homepage has "Principles over project-centrism. Others assume a monoculture of one project for all. We are developing a plurality of projects."
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loqi.me created /how_to_engage_new_people (+22) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /welcoming (+48) "/* technical or silo rants */ add empathy to step one, move problem acknowledgement to step one" (view diff)
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GWG gRegor: That focuses on projects, not philosophy. I'm thinking broader. But...this is going to take some time to percolate.
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tantek.com edited /welcoming (+151) "/* technical or silo rants */ note to follow steps in order until person has stopped" (view diff)
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gRegor I think it applies
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gRegor Another way to put it is "no right way" doesn't sound like it helps identify what indieweb is
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tantek.com edited /welcoming (+7) "/* technical or silo rants */ describe rather about" (view diff)
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GWG That's what I'll need to think about before I bring it back to everyone, I think
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tantek.com edited /pluralism (+36) "/* Project diversity over monoculture */ community instead of camp (leftover), project or approach, explicitly for everyone and over time, re-order recognition / conclusion" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /pluralism (-17) "drop "projects" from subhead since content is beyond projects" (view diff)
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Loqi [tantek] has 41 karma in this channel over the last year (136 in all channels)
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GWG [tantek]++ for helping me work on this thought
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tantek.com edited /pluralism (+40) "/* Simultaneous exploration and evolution */ create instead of build (update from past wording), community instead of camp update" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /pluralism (-10) "/* Simultaneous exploration and evolution */ Parallel more than simultaneous" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/patrol () "marked revision 99333 of [[Main Page]] patrolled" (view diff)
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GWG For now, solved by fixing a link on the main page to the pluralism page over the principles page
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[tantek] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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[tantek] alright, GWG says the section on /welcoming for dealing with technical rants is sufficiently useful to the community to be considered a gift for the 26th (unless someone has other gifts they know of that were published / created on the 26th)
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tantek.com edited /2024-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+246) "got GWG "new eyes" review of "technical or silo rants" section as a community useful how-to; also refine new page non-trivial intentions" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell aaronpk can you run your script to create /2023-created (similar to how you did for /2022-created and previous?)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] 2 days until ask aaronpk can you run your script to create /2024-created (similar to how you did for previous years)?
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2025-01-01 11:02pm UTC (#7176)
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tantek.com created /2024-review (+3526) "draft from [[2023-review]], update for 2024, add five IndieWebCamps and one virtual camp, note HWC Edinburgh restarted" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+165) "couple of new wiki pages today! a WP plugin, and 2024-review - mostly copy paste but did add all the IndieWebCamps and the one restarted HWC for this year! as well as benwerd's notable blog post" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+107) "stub a 2025 row, move planning there" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2025/Berlin (+783) "stub this page like DUS 2025" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+33) "+2025/Berlin" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell capjamesg[d] I presume you created https://events.indieweb.org/2025/06/indiewebcamp-edinburgh-1HYdJ5KntMdU ? Can you indicate explicitly what the event is dependent/tentative on? (e.g. are you looking for a venue or other factors to resolve?) and also can you add your name and other co-organizers as points of contact for interest? Similar to the tentative IWC DUS 2025 event:
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[tantek] https://events.indieweb.org/2025/05/indiewebcamp-d%C3%BCsseldorf-lbBv9MGOChq2
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [preview] IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf
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tantek.com edited /2014 (+21) "/* IndieWebCamp 2014 */ Berlin AKA Further East" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Berlin (-5) "/* IndieWebCamps */ Berlin site in 2018 for IndieWebSummit" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/Berlin (-1) "fifth counting the prior two IWC Summit sites" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2019/Berlin (+0) "sixth counting the prior two IWC Summit sites" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Berlin (-9) "uncomment past warning since we now have a 2025 tentatively planned" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /web_browser (+62) "add a redlink to Dillo and a link about what happened" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /San_Diego (-34) "/* See Also */ w: shortcut doesn't work apparently" (view diff)