#meta 2024-12-31

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capjamesg[d] [tantek] Done!
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capjamesg[d] We're hoping to get space at the University. We're doing outreach in the new year when everyone is back in the office.
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[tantek] Amazing and exciting!! Would really like the opportunity to visit Edinburgh! capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi capjamesg[d] has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (225 in all channels)
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[tantek] What is 2025/Edinburgh
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2025/Edinburgh" yet. Would you like to create it?_b (Or just say "2025/Edinburgh is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] ^ capjamesg[d] feel free to stub that like /2025/Berlin
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[tantek] Then we can link to it from /Template:IndieWebCamps
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jamesg.blog created /2025/Edinburgh (+594) "create stub page" (view diff)
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capjamesg[d] Done.
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jamesg.blog edited /Planning (-15) "/* Edinburgh */" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Solid (+68) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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doesnm Working timbl profile: https://timbl.inrupt.net/profile/card#me
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doesnm how to paste in article?
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doesnm In paragraph "Use what you make"
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tantek.com edited /Web_Authentication (+262) "finish Loqi addition" (view diff)
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[tantek] doesnm sorta? it really should be somewhere on https://timbl.com/ otherwise it's just another identity owned by the Inrupt corporation
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[tantek] still someone else's garage
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doesnm [tantek]: does timbl worked in inrupt/have something pairs? I can't explain why pod on his domain is abandoned but inrupt version is ok
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[tantek] Sure and I have a Mozilla email address too but that doesn't make it canonical or something I recommend for folks to contact me outside of very specific work-related reasons
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[tantek] if the pod on his domain is abandoned doesn't that question the pitch of everyone running their own pod that they own the data and control?
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[tantek] like even running http://micro.blog on your own domain is better than a pod on someone else's domain
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[tantek] http://micro.blog++
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gRegor micro.blog++ (Slack made it a link)
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Loqi micro.blog has 1 karma over the last year
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doesnm So have pod on inrupt.net/solid.community/solidweb.me/etc doesn't make control of your data? Even if you can migrate?
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[tantek] nah, someone else's garage is not control over your data
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[mattl] What about someone else’s computer?
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[tantek] Pretty sure that's in the /FAQ [mattl]
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[mattl] I guess I don’t see much difference
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[tantek] doesnm, key problem is that you don't own any of your permalinks in someone else's garage
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[tantek] [mattl] ^ that's one key difference, there are many other obvious one
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[tantek] ones*
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[tantek] what is own your data?
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Loqi ✊ own your data is an IndieWeb principle with two key parts: 1) your data lives primarily under your own domain, and 2) you are able to retain your access over time https://indieweb.org/own_your_data
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[mattl] So if your data was on this but it published to your personal domain name, you’d be okay with that?
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[tantek] ^ more on that page
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[mattl] Okay. I’ll check it another time.
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[tantek] "you’d be okay with that" <-- nothing to do with that. this is objectively evaluatable
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[mattl] own your data page needs some work to make it broken on mobile.
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[mattl] I’ll take a look at that in a bit
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mat.tl edited /own_your_data (+9) "Commented out image that is breaking the layout" (view diff)
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[tantek] [mattl] can you fix that in CSS? We have a lot of pages with hero images and removing them makes the pages look worse
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[tantek] Am going to revert that change for now. Making pages worse on browsers in order to fix them on mobile is not a good approach
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[mattl] it's broken on desktop too
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (-18) "undo commenting out of image, please fix with CSS for mobile instead of making page worse for everyone on desktop/laptop" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (-5) "make it an image which should work better for the CSS" (view diff)
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[mattl] [tantek] you reverted a change that's a broken image too
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[tantek] fixing http = changing to https, not removal
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[mattl] as noted, https doesn't work.
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[tantek] and if it's a problem with Loqi, leave it and ask aaronpk to look at it
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[mattl] pointing people at pages which are broken isn't a good look
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[tantek] aaronpk, can you take a look at the cert for the loqi meme subdomain? looks like the cert expired. e.g. https://meme.loqi.me/4aYkTf1w.jpg vs https://meme.loqi.me/4aYkTf1w.jpg
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[tantek] removal instead of fixing or asking to fix is a deletionist vibe and you and I are both against that
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[mattl] That's why I commented it out and noted it was broken in the commit message
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[mattl] Uncomment it when it works again
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[tantek] no it doesn't look broken on my browser at least because it seamlessly displays the alt text despite the image not loading
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[tantek] if your browser doesn't do that, file a bug on your browser
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[mattl] Dear Steve Jobs,
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[mattl] It's been a while since I've heard from you. I hope everything is well at Apple.
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[mattl] Please fix your browser.
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[mattl] Best,
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[tantek] aaronpk, see example here: https://indieweb.org/own_your_data#IndieWeb_Examples (note the alt text displayed: INDIEWEB ALL THE THINGS, that's where the https with bad cert is)
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[tantek] what is Webkit
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Webkit" yet. Would you like to create it?_d (Or just say "Webkit is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek.com edited /web_browser (+151) "/* Browser Engines */ links for reporting bugs" (view diff)
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[tantek] [mattl] you know better than that, come on. Added links for you anyway: https://indieweb.org/web_browser#Browser_Engines
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+1) "https a link" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /California (+204) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] presto no more redlinks on /SD 😄
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[tantek] alright that's one last new page for today / December. If no one else creates / contributes a more substantial gift (shouldn't be hard 🙂 ) for today, then I'll add it to the Gift Calendar later. HNY everyone!
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aaronpk oh huh what happened to that cert
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 23 hours, 6 minutes ago: can you run your script to create /2023-created (similar to how you did for /2022-created and previous?)
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aaronpk oh i think it never had one
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aaronpk do i need to give it a cert finally now?
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[tantek] If we want to embed images from it to indieweb org. Alternatively, give permission to upload the generated images to the wiki