Loqi🦀 Baltimore is a city in the US state of Maryland that hosted Homebrew Website Club meetups starting 2016-09-21 once a month or more, and an IndieWebCamp in 2018 https://indieweb.org/Category%3ABaltimore
[tantek][artlung] plenty of red-links and other gardening to do on the existing /antipatterns page. Not sure if we need a category yet? Maybe some day.
[artlung]but categories for the sake of categories is not the goal. i want to point at good stuff with a category. And Video, Feed, Writing, and Music fit the bill for me
[tantek]agreed, categories for the sake of categorization are not helpful. You have something there with a curational intent, a path to focused disocvery
tantek.comedited /Planning (-186) "move Cambridge MA to Restart a Recent City to help keep it recent without expectations, move New Haven, Oxford, Utrecht to Past Cities (no organizers from those cities seen in chat in 1y+)" (view diff)
[artlung]Went on a tear looking at videos on the Internet Archive for indieweb seeing about what could be extracted. https://gist.github.com/artlung/91990f51e291c38491f38fa4ff795b18 not really consistent in their naming and conventions but in theory could be used to generate some friendly video pages.
[artlung]I basically scraped the returned json when the page loads and parsed out some fields. Now that I did that probably there's a api and this was silly. Alas. Still, PESOS back to the wiki from Internet Archive!
[tantek]only editorial concern I have, the "videos about the indieweb" were intended as higher level more introductory videos that a new person could come see and get a more general idea. e.g. talks to audiences of mostly folks *not* in the community. I'm not sure it's helpful to newcomers to mix in all the IndieWebCamp sessions which are in general very high-context and very often highly technical
[tantek]the worry is that a new person shows up, clicks on the "most recent video" which immediately gets deep into a specific indieweb discussion, and then they're lost because it's all IndieWeb community members having a very deep conversation
[tantek]wdyt about splitting the "general" talks, like Manton's recent talk at EFF Austin (which was to an audience mostly not in the community), to top section, by year, and then having a separate section (or even page) for the full tables of IndieWebCamp Sessions?
[tantek]the folks that want to dig deep will certainly do so, and I think it would help to avoid having new folks "bounce" because they get overwhelmed or intimidated by a very technical talk on Webmention or Micropub etc.?
[tantek]we can also make case-by-case exceptions, like the "Intros and personal site demos" at IndieWebCamps are usually very accessible to a broader audience so maybe those are worth including? they also tend to show a very human side of the community and how diverse IndieWeb sites can be which can make people feel more included
[tantek]re: the featured videos. to your point [artlung], I agree with "dislike pages that look like they ought to be timely not being timely looking". I think we should figure out some criteria for updating the featured videos to enable more people to add to them. like maybe we consider Manton's talk? or if someone reviews a recent personal site demos session from an IWC and finds it particularly welcoming, we could include that? just some ideas
[tantek]I hear you on the lack of durations frustration. It was a manual effort to add them into the IWC schedule pages and the "Play" link at the top of all the individual session pages
[tantek]those durations are inside a template on the schedule pages and play links, a template which also contains the Internet Archive URL for the video so presumably there's some way to search the wiki for an Internet Archive URL, then look for the template it's inside, then extract the duration from that template? not sure how hard that is
[tantek]e.g. "Revisiting LLMs for Code Development" has nothing to do with IndieWeb, and I'd really not like to see us promoting that in particular. I believe it is damaging to the reputation of the community
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "Subscribe Openly" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Subscribe Openly is ____", a sentence describing the term)
capjamesgSubscribe Openly is a site that creates a page with direct links to subscribe to a web feed in various popular feed readers like [[NetNewsWire]] and [[Feedly]], maintained by {{capjamesg}}.
[tantek]that way, when we see an IndieNews article pop-up in the main #indieweb channel, someone has to actually go bookmark it for it to show up in the newsletter
aaronpkthe way i was imagining a quick version of this working is news.indieweb.org can already know if you're logged in because it's on *.indieweb.org, so if you're logged in, you can click "delete" or something, and it would take 2 different people deleting a post to remove it
[tantek]aaronpk, I think there's a diferrence between, ew yuck someone syndicated something nasty, must delete ASAP, and someone syndicated something off-topic
Loqi📺 Videos about the indieweb are a great way to get a quick visual introduction to what is the Indie Web, why we need it, and how you can make a difference for yourself, and others https://indieweb.org/videos_about_the_indieweb
gregorlove.comedited /IndieWebCamps (+91) "link to newer categories for each camp, preparing to remove now-empty Category:Session Notes, which was only used for /2011" (view diff)
gregorlove.comdeleted /Category:Session_Notes "Empty Content: 2011 sessions all in newer categories, this was now empty and nothing linked to it. content was: "Here's the set of all Session Notes from the [[2011/Schedule]].""
btremaaronpk: maybe indienews should have some sort of gatekeeping. A submission is just that, a submission, until an editor approves it. Perhaps by bookmarking it?
btremBookmarks would have to be in an approved list. Maybe vouch could be used? I don't know much about vouch, so maybe it was not adopted widely enough to be useful here?
[tantek]!tell [artlung] the date columns in the tables in different years are different widths and that's a bit jarring when scrolling. would be great to make the date columns the same width (and since they have known semi-fixed width content, should be possible to pick an em width that works for all YYYY-MM-DD)
gRegorI think a two-person approval from a voiced account here in chat should work on indienews. That's how we used to retweet things from the @indiewebcamp account back in the day
btremYeah, ok. I don't really understand the "signed in people on *.indieweb.org" thing, I was just spitballing. I guess I was thinking if you're an "editor" you could maybe implement it.
btremI'm not qualified, but if I were an editor, I'd probably have a separate place to approve posts. Maybe a subdomain? Because I might not want to post bookmarks on my site.
LoqiJust generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-05-30.html