#meta 2025-05-29

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kaja.sknebel.net
edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org"
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sixtwothree.org
edited /User:Sixtwothree.org () "(-761) Update projects"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Glitch (+358) "note shutdown in dfn, +citation template"
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gRegor
what is glitch
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Loqi
Glitch is a service that shutting down project hosting and user profiles 2025-07-08. It allowed you to quickly prototype web applications in a complete IDE with built in version control, sharing, custom domain support, and more https://indieweb.org/Glitch
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gregorlove.com
edited /FediForum (+79) "+2025-06-05"
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kaja.sknebel.net
edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+152) "update from events.indieweb.org"
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cali-iwc
Created https://indieweb.org/events/2025-05-28-hwc-americas. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe
created /events/2025-05-28-hwc-americas (+3726) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver"
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jamesg.blog
edited /events/2025-05-28-hwc-americas (-168) "clean up formatting"
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vanderven.se martijn
edited /Glitch (+316) "/* See Also */ nice personal blog post on the history of Glitch"
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kaja.sknebel.net
edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-351) "update from events.indieweb.org"
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kaja.sknebel.net
edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org"
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artlung.com
edited /libre.fm (+111) "note about change in status"
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artlung.com
edited /libre.fm (+12) "/* See Also */"
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artlung.com
edited /libre.fm (+14) "/* See Also */"
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artlung.com
created /Category:Music (+124) "creating music category"
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artlung.com
edited /musician (+126) "/* IndieWeb Examples */"
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artlung.com
edited /musician (+11) "/* Reilly */"
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artlung.com
edited /Musicbrainz (-13) "/* See Also */"
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artlung.com
created /Category:Writing (+128) "Created page with "To add a wiki page to the [[Writing]] category add the text <code><nowiki>[[Category:Writing]]</nowiki></code> to its wiki page.""
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[tantek]
[artlung]++ 🙏
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Loqi
[artlung] has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (68 in all channels)
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[artlung]
SYNTHESIS. We have good stuff on this wiki and the cross links are already making me very happy.
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gRegor
holy wiki edits
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gRegor
(Batman)
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[artlung]
I HAVE DISCOVERED CATEGORIES AND I WILL NOW SCRATCH MY WIKI DISCOVERY ITCHES WITH THEM
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gRegor
Love categories
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gregorlove.com
edited /Category:Music (+48) "dfn for newsletter"
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gRegor
what is Category:Music
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Loqi
IndieWeb wiki pages related to music https://indieweb.org/Category%3AMusic
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[artlung]
I want a category to encompass the kinds of feeds. RSS. Atom. JSON Feed. hFeed. Would that category be "Feed" or "Feeds"
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gRegor
what is feed format
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "feed format" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "feed format is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor
what is feed
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Loqi
A feed is a dynamic set of posts, typically listed in reverse-chronological order, often only the most recent (like 10), published on the IndieWeb as separate feed files and on homepages with h-feed markup https://indieweb.org/feed
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[artlung]
I think "Feed" is correct.
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gRegor
Maybe "Feed formats" if you just want it to be pages about the formats, otherwise I'd say "Feeds" if you want to categorize things like feed readers with it
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gRegor
We pluralize Category:Events for example
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artlung.com
created /Category:Feed (+115) "Created page with "To add a wiki page to this category, add the text <code><nowiki>[[Category:Feed]]</nowiki></code> to its wiki page.""
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tantek.com
created /feed_format (+23) "prompted by gRegor, r to existing"
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[tantek]
^ gRegor formats listed there
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gregorlove.com
edited /Monocle (+18) "+cat"
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gRegor
what is Category:Feed
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Loqi
IndieWeb wiki pages related to feeds https://indieweb.org/Category%3AFeed
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gRegor
what is tidal
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Loqi
Tidal was an open-source, self-hostable feed reader that aimed to be 'an uncluttered personal feed reader' https://indieweb.org/Tidal
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gregorlove.com
edited /Tidal (+62) "+Tidal enwp link in dfn"
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gRegor
what is tidal
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Loqi
Tidal may refer to the Tidal music service or an open-source, self-hostable feed reader that aimed to be 'an uncluttered personal feed reader' https://indieweb.org/Tidal
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gregorlove.com
edited /Tidal (+14) "update dfn"
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jamesg.blog
edited /feed_discovery (+184) "add common paths from web feeds"
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gRegor
what is 88x31
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Loqi
88x31 pixels was a very popular web badge/button image size in the 1990s, especially among freewheeling and independent sites created on services like GeoCities, and there are IndieWeb 88x31 badges you may use https://indieweb.org/88x31
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jamesg.blog
edited /feed_discovery (+160) "/* See Also */"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Tidal (+38) "+cats"
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[artlung]
[gRegorLove]++
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Loqi
[gRegorLove] has 11 karma in this channel over the last year (23 in all channels)
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gregorlove.com
edited /feed_reader (+85) "/* Examples */ +/Tidal"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Microsub (+18) "+cat"
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gRegor
Where's that wiki edits leaderboard? :) Was that something you made, capjamesg?
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gRegor
what is leaderboard
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "leaderboard" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "leaderboard is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor
Ah, it's some of the features like email subscriptions they shutdown: https://indieweb.org/FeedBurner#Shutdowns
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gregorlove.com
edited /FeedBurner (-6) "/* Indieweb Examples */ addyourself template"
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gregorlove.com
edited /FeedBurner (-58) "/* Shutdowns */ MW File syntax for screenshot"
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gregorlove.com
edited /FeedBurner (+216) "/* Shutdowns */ IA links for blog and developer pages"
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gregorlove.com
edited /FeedBurner (+35) "link dfn, past tense re: email subscriptions"
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[tantek]
gRegor re: "wiki edits leaderboard" lol I have a vague memory of this coming up in the past and I think I suggested against it because of potential leaderboard dynamics mal-incentives (also perhaps a personal concern of not wanting to show up at the top in many weeks 🙂 )
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[tantek]
do we need a Category:Plumbing? 😂
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gRegor
oh yeah, I only asked because I thought capjamesg had made something using the MW API. Not suggesting it for serious use
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gRegor
Ah it was jgarger, github looks like it's gone: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2022-11-05#t1667617697823600
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Loqi
[preview] [Loqi] [jgarber623] indieweb-wiki-leaderboard: Ranking active users on the IndieWeb wiki.
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gRegor
*jgarber
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[tantek]
what is newsletter brainstorming
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Loqi
This Week in the IndieWeb is a weekly digest of activities of the IndieWeb community https://indieweb.org/newsletter_brainstorming
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gRegor
hah, that redirect is a bit odd
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gRegor
what is newsletter
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Loqi
📫 A newsletter is a regularly scheduled email that is sent out on a specific topic to an email list https://indieweb.org/newsletter
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[tantek]
^ gRegor see that for similar ideas (and feel free to add to it!) and also https://indieweb.org/site-homepage#New_live_modules
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[tantek]
it's a deliberate redirect to a section
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[tantek]
totally normal thing (Wikipedia has them too)
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gRegor
Sure, but "newsletter brainstorming" is more generic than TWII?
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gRegor
confused by the site-homepage link, maybe I missed context
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[tantek]
A "wiki edits leaderboard" sounds like an idea that could be a live "module" or "box" that we embed on the site home page
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[tantek]
Like trailing 7 days kind of thing
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aaronpk
we talked about that a long time ago but I thought the conclusion was that gamifying wiki edits might not encourage the right behavior
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[artlung]
I love to be at the top of a leaderboard as much as anyone but I don't think there's profit in such a thing.
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[artlung]
I *would* like to know most common entry point pages on http://indieweb.org ; and *then* what that user executed in search
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[artlung]
that two-step I suspect would be a goldmine
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capjamesg
I would prefer we didn't have a leaderboard.
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capjamesg
Long-running leaderboards can induce anxiety about staying at the top / above a certain position, even if that is not the intended goal.
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artlung.com
edited /feed_reader (-65) "Evergreen supplanted by NetNewsWire"
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artlung.com
edited /Feedly (+12) "more specific link"
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artlung.com
edited /feed_reader (-23) "change to internal link"
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[tantek]
what are site metrics?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "site metrics" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "site metrics is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
what are metrics
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Loqi
metrics is in the context of the IndieWeb a type of post or a summary page that documents measurements of a personal activity such as exercise, travel, food, or acquisitions https://indieweb.org/metrics
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[tantek]
what are analytics
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Loqi
analytics is the collection, analysis and reporting of a websites traffic https://indieweb.org/analytics
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loqi.me
created /site_metrics (+30) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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gRegor
Ah, gotcha. Yes, not proposing a wiki edit leaderboard.
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artlung.com
edited /Template:Open_Source (-20) "Removing Reader Self"
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artlung.com
deleted /Reader_Self "canonical link for reader is now spam. project now points at https://github.com/stephanediondev/feed no longer has this name. content was: "[[Category:Feed]] [[Category:Software:PHP]] [[Category: open source]] {{stub}} '''<dfn>[http://readerself.com Reader Self]</dfn>''' is an open source self-hosted [[RSS]] [[aggregator]] and [[reader]] written in PHP. == See Also == * https://github.com/readerself/readerself * [[reader]] * ... {{Open Source}}""
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artlung.com
edited /feed_reader (-45) "removing Reader Self"
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gRegor
Haha, screenshot on https://github.com/stephanediondev/feed including the Google Reader shutdown post XD
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Loqi
[preview] [stephanediondev] feed: Self-hosted atom/rss reader - Progressive Web App - Google Reader alternative
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gRegor
Should we try to find archive links for those dead pages instead of removing? Maybe github repo links instead of github.io, unless totally gone.
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Loqi
[preview] [jangernert] FeedReader: Modern desktop application designed to complement existing web-based RSS accounts.
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artlung.com
edited /email (+58) "/* Thunderbird */"
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gRegor
[artlung] ^
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[tantek]
gRegor++ yes: "find archive links for those dead pages instead of removing"
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Loqi
gRegor has 33 karma in this channel over the last year (95 in all channels)
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[artlung]
I would not object to that being added. But I have a stronger thought that Thunderbird or other mainstream clients be added to the table.
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gRegor
What is NewsFlash
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "NewsFlash" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "NewsFlash is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor
Maybe an "archived" section, since Tidal that I added on there is also archived. Always good to have code to reference at least.
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gRegor
I can work on that if you're not already
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[artlung]
please do go for it! yeah.
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[artlung]
I think I'm content with my edits in [[feed reader]]
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gregorlove.com
edited /feed_reader (+379) "/* Examples */ +Archived subsection, update links to newer version of Reader Self"
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gRegor
what is thunderbird
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Loqi
Email is a decentralized, non-web messaging transport, with user interfaces that enable a wide range of message formats and styles, and commonly used for account recovery by web sites and applications https://indieweb.org/Thunderbird
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jamesg.blog
edited /User:Jamesg.blog (+70) "/* Open Source Projects */"
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gregorlove.com
edited /feed_reader (+116) "/* Examples */ +Thunderbird"
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[tantek]
[artlung] re: "most common entry point pages on indieweb-org" the analytics links in this section may help with that: https://indieweb.org/website-analytics#IndieWeb_Community_Analytics
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gregorlove.com
edited /feed_reader (+238) "/* Examples */ +Newsflash"
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gRegor
what is reader self
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Loqi
A feed reader (sometimes called an RSS reader) is an application (local or on the web) subscribes to feeds (often limited to Atom or RSS) and presents posts from them in an interface for reading, typically without any way to respond, in contrast to an interactive social reader https://indieweb.org/Reader_Self
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[artlung]
[tantek] ++ for forbearance as I stomped opinionatedly through the wiki today. I am really happy with my changes but definitely don't want to abuse my editing privileges. [gRegorLove]++
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Loqi
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Loqi
[tantek] has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (165 in all channels)
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gRegor
All good. It's pretty forgiving with all the history it tracks :)
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[artlung]
in clicking the random button a lot today, I was charmed by this https://indieweb.org/The_Cask_of_Amontillado
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capjamesg
[artlung]++ for all the wiki edits!
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Loqi
[artlung] has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (69 in all channels)
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[artlung]
the best result for me is that this is a really great selection of items in the wiki now. https://indieweb.org/Category:Writing
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tantek.com
edited /The_Cask_of_Amontillado (-34) "wikilink to WP"
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[artlung]
In re stats [tantek] Fair amount of people entering at https://indieweb.org/stalkscan.com and I wish I could justify something on that page to say "don't be a creep"
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[artlung]
what is Quiet Writing Hour?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Quiet Writing Hour" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Quiet Writing Hour is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[artlung]
hmmm. not doing to do anything with that. lack a strong enough opinion about it.
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[tantek]
back when we had more in-person HWC meetups 🫗
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[tantek]
it's a subsection currently I believe
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[artlung]
correct.
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loqi.me
created /Quiet_Writing_Hour (+53) "prompted by [artlung] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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[artlung]
I did that once! At Subterranean Coffee and Gregor was there. 🙂
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[artlung]
There is a fine history of _caring_ about the process of writing in this community. Those event notes from the past include some great thoughts.
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[artlung]
*CLMOOC* and *Poetry Friday* on poetry are defunct.
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[artlung]
and http://indieweb.xyz aggregate links also defunct.
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[artlung]
I'm feeling gunshy about deleting
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[artlung]
poetry also includes a link to a collaborative poem done by webmention if I'm reading that right
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[tantek]
[artlung] always ok to replace dead links with IA links as a form of clean-up
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[tantek]
(rather than deletion)
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[artlung]
[tantek] very good point
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artlung.com
edited /discovery (+105) "/* IndieWebCamp Related Sessions */"
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tantek.com
edited /stalkscan.com (+31) "fix dfn to avoid implying it was a service by Facebook, move PESOS use-case to a new Why section, minor copy edits"
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gRegor
Redirecting to subsections of other pages also an option if it makes sense and the content is short, or even just a link to the source code like I did with that one feed reader software.
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[tantek]
do we have a page for the recent EFF Austin meetup where [manton] spoke? I'd like to add a link to the recording specifically to the time-index of the start of Manton's talk: https://www.youtube.com/live/mQ8dNGTS3JU?si=3fFMUWs3LB_rw1s4&t=434
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[artlung]
I see nothing in the wiki. There's an Austin page, of course.
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[tantek]
I feel there's been IndieWeb related talks hosted at multiple EFF Austin meetups, so it may be worth creating a page for that (EFF Austin)
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[tantek]
what is EFF Austin
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "EFF Austin" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "EFF Austin is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
EFF Austin is a group based in Austin, Texas, that hosts meetups, some of which have featured talks by IndieWeb community members.
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loqi.me
created /EFF_Austin (+157) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]"
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loqi.me
edited /EFF_Austin (+61) "[tantek] added "[[events/2017-08-14-eff-indieweb-meetup]]" to "See Also""
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[tantek]
EFF Austin << 2025-05-13 {{manton}}'s talk at EFF Austin meetup: https://www.youtube.com/live/mQ8dNGTS3JU?t=434s
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[tantek]
hmm, except Loqi didn't get that last <<
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tantek.com
edited /EFF_Austin (+187) "see also Austin, add IndieWeb talks section]"
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gRegor
gives loqi <<
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tantek.com
edited /Austin (+58) "link EFF Austin"
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gregorlove.com
edited /EFF_Austin (+25) "link dfn"
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tantek.com
edited /Austin (-19) "dfn IWCs 2017-2020"
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gRegor
Ah, regex might no like the braces
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artlung.com
edited /longevity (+182) "/* Articles and talks */"
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gRegor
User:Gregorlove.com << {{gRegor}} test
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Loqi
ok, I added "{{gRegor}} test" to the "See Also" section of /User:Gregorlove.com https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=101862&oldid=93553
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[tantek]
gRegor, [artlung] would Categories for cities be useful? (for IWCs and other events in those cities?) And then redirect those Category:cityname pages to the actual current /city pages?
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artlung.com
edited /longevity (+215) "TimBL & JNielsen"
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gRegor
Maybe, though loses the main use of categories having a list of links. A link to /city in the See Also might have similar effect. Though that could get lost in longer SA sections, vs the links to categories in their own section. No strong opinion, I guess.
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[artlung]
citiies are also unique enough strings that search can pull up usages pretty well. categories i added today link disparate ideas that were not linked and do the job that a giant list of "see also" would do.
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[tantek]
the way you solve that is by including an mediawiki embed instruction of "things in this category"
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gregorlove.com
edited /events/2017-08-14-eff-indieweb-meetup (+223) "dfn outside the h-event for loqi, +videoduration template"
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gregorlove.com
edited /EFF_Austin (+4) "link Austin in dfn"
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[tantek]
btw while you're at it gRegor, [artlung], see if there's any opportunity for cleanup / sensemaking with what you see at https://indieweb.org/Special:Categories
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[tantek]
maybe some dupes in there etc.
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/Cambridge/expenses (+13) "fix redlink cat, use: IndieWebCamp Cambridge 2014"
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artlung.com
created /Category:Video (+124) "Created page with "To add a wiki page to the [[Video]] category add the text <code><nowiki>[[Category:Video]]</nowiki></code> to its wiki page.""
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/NYC/expenses (+13) "fix redlink cat, use: IndieWebCamp NYC 2014"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/Online/Micropub (+137) "fix redlink cat, use: IndieWebCamp Portland 2014, some modern session note conventions"
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gRegor
more tabs opening as I go down the list for things to update XD
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[tantek]
^ you can now use tab groups to keep those organized!
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gRegor
Still need to experiment with that!
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/Online/Micropub (+1) "oops, Online not Portland, no separate Schedule page"
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[artlung]
oh man. skype page. no mention of shutdown.
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gRegor
This special page is handy, especially if you're looking for all pages under a certain section, like camp pages
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[artlung]
I've not noticed categories much before today. They were not useful besides when looking at an individual Camp. But also not harmful. They're a great way to combine pages on the wiki without explicit links. I
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gRegor
Especially with older pages, going through 2014/Online/*
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[artlung]
some fun writing sessions and music mentions in sessions from years past.
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gregorlove.com
edited /IndieWebCamps (+0) "/* IndieWebCamp Online 2014 */ fix redlink, page was called "Sessions" not "Schedule" this year"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/Online/Sessions (-43) "fix cat redlink, use: IndieWebCamp Online 2014. use Schedule category. no separate Schedule page this year"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/Online/Guest_List (+20) "more specific cat: IndieWebCamp Online 2014"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Micropub (+86) "/* Sessions */ +2014/Online/Micropub"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/SF/expenses (+13) "fix redlink cat, use: IndieWebCamp SF 2014"
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gregorlove.com
edited /2014/SF/https (+59) "fix redlink cat, use: IndieWebCamp SF 2014, cat:2014 sessions, SA"
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[artlung]
what is vlogging?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "vlogging" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "vlogging is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[artlung]
vlogging is blogging using [[video]] as a medium.
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loqi.me
created /vlogging (+76) "prompted by [artlung] and dfn added by [artlung]"
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