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[mattl] Ah, I see. I wish Linux distros were better about packaging web apps.
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aarontoomey.blog created /User:Aarontoomey.blog (+184) "Blog f Aaron "Inkie Beard" Toomey - writing and ramblings, shower thoughts and more." (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+122) "/* To-Study List! */ dear me this list is too long but has very very tasty links" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /pronoun (+87) "/* See Also */" (view diff)
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Loqi [edit] cc @web3isgreat (https://twitter.com/_/status/1538186024513421314)
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voxpelli [edit] I think Loqi missed this tweet which referred to “IndieWebbers”, maybe a term to add @aaronpk? https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/1440695952809943048?s=20
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Loqi [edit] ... (https://twitter.com/_/status/1551532725730807808)
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Loqi [edit] ... (https://twitter.com/_/status/1440695952809943048)
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[aciccarello] [edit] Ah, I found it https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1344095187098685440
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Loqi [edit] [@swyx] One thing I learned from getting published in @CSS Tricks is the *sheer amount* of sites that solely exist to repost CSS Tricks. I made an open source domain blocklist of these spam sites: https://github.com/sw-yx/domainblocklist Anyone know why they do this? They set canonicals to themselves.. https://twitter.com/css/status/1339016889285140481 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eqcu6rTU0AYv39Q.png (https://twitter.com/_/st
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aaronpk :sigh:
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[tantek] hence why anything you "get published" anywhere else should include your OPP
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aaronpk might be time to hack up the discord bridge to remove the edit notifications
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[tantek] yep
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] I wonder if we should consider timeboxing dev-focused discussion and especially LLM/vibe-coding-focused discussion at HWC, as there has been quite a bit in the past few that I recall, and I have to admit, I have nearly zero interest, and some amount of actively growing disinterest personally (I don't see either as particularly specifically relevant to personal websites, more "web dev" in general).
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[tantek] Similar to how we now have a proposed indieweb-ai channel to sequester discussions in chat about AI: https://indieweb.org/discuss#AI
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[tantek] curious if others have similar (or opposite) reactions. cc: [mattl]
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[schmarty] i know i have been absent from most HWCs recently, but learning that there is a significant amount of vibe-coding talk makes me much less interested in joining.
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[mattl] There was none at Eastern at either of the recent events FWIW, [schmarty]
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[schmarty] I like that! 😎
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gRegor vibes-are-off-coding
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[tantek] lol
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[mattl] Yeah I’m just not interested in hearing about or talking about any LLM stuff or the output. There’s much more interesting and pressing stuff to talk about anyway too, especially in the context of homebrew websites.
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gRegor +1 generally
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mat.tl created /fresh (+34) "Redirected page to [[Front End Study Hall]]" (view diff)
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gRegor Wonder if someone might want to start up a meetup that could be focused on those topics, similar to how we have FrESH as its own thing now. Not that I'm enthused about promoting it as an official indieweb thing, but trying to be a bit open to it.
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[mattl] Those things already exist and I don’t think we need to promote them or even acknowledge them. I don’t remember (but maybe they existed) IndieWeb events about blockchain, NFTs, cryptocurrencies, Web3, etc etc.
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.pi.r2. I'd join that.
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.pi.r2. blockchain NFTs cryptocurrencies didn't overlap much with the personal web. LLM agents can partake in making websites.
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[tantek]3 no there was a whole dweb / web3 series of meetups that tried to be about making the replacement for websites, or websites served on IPFS etc.
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[tantek]3 we even had some IPFS demos at HWC as another POSSE destination
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[mattl] Oh wow. Finally. Someone has done something about this! I get a lot of email for other people at one of my Gmail accounts. People have made Netflix accounts, signed up for new apartments, had their medical records and more sent to me without any verification of the address. Someone just used it to make a Protonmail account and there was a link at the bottom of the email “I didn’t make this account” which disables the account. I wish mo
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[mattl] sites would do this.
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[tantek]3 yeah I have that similar problem
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[mattl] if you stop signing me up for protonmail, I’ll stop signing you up for Netflix 😉
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[tantek]3 lol
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.pi.r2. I get that from shopify
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.pi.r2. someone signs me up to sell stuff
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capjamesg [schmarty] Of note, the extent to which vibe coding is part of the Europe HWCs is limited. Mark and I are increasingly aware of and proactive in ensuring that AI discussions don't take up much time relative to the length of a meeting.
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capjamesg "significant amount of vibe coding talk" is definitely not representative of our meetings.
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capjamesg Regarding the AI channel, if we start it then we need people who are going to read it to moderate. That should definitely be a consideration in whether it is started or not.
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capjamesg I am also cognisant of the extent to which AI discussions have become divisive in many creative spaces. Yesterday I saw a heated discussion arise from a misunderstanding about a single comment about the use of AI in another web Discord community.
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capjamesg If we are to create a space I want it to be positive rather than a place to point discussions that we don't want to read elsewhere. If that is the sentiment in the community, I am more in favour of generally discouraging discourse of AI here, other than when it applies directly to AI bots (i.e. how to block them, how to avoid disruption).
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[schmarty] capjamesg ++
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Loqi capjamesg has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (197 in all channels)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek]3 can we teach Loqi to moderate the indieweb-ai channel instead of a human? seems appropriate 🤖
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[tantek]3 capjamesg, it's not even the divisiveness per se (although yes that can also be an issue), it's the "invading nearly every discussion" aspect which is starting to feeling somewhere between tiring and exhausting. I'm not sure how to mitigate that without discouraging people
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[tantek]3 I do think the discussion of personal website "defense" against LLM crawlers (or other bots / abuse) may be a good way to focus (even name) such a channel to divert those conversations there
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[mattl] I want to help people defend themselves. I don’t think it’s possible to have a channel that does both. I wouldn’t want to be in a channel about LLMs.
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