#meta 2025-08-21

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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[mattl] what is sdf
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "sdf" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sdf is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mattl] what is finger
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "finger" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "finger is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mattl] sdf is Super Dimension Fortress (SDF), a free Unix shell. Amongst the many, many services offered by SDF are web hosting, git project hosting and a Mastodon server. Membership is free to all, and many more services can be enabled via a one-time donation. Others require an ongoing fee.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /sdf (+312) "prompted by [mattl] and dfn added by [mattl]" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /sdf (+214) "add myself" (view diff)
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angelo did someone just sign in to the Pacific HWC to turn on transcription?
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Loqi angelo: gRegor left you a message on 2025-07-21 at 6:24pm UTC: HTML Day Los Angeles August 2nd if you weren't aware: https://www.sneakyfelix.com/htmlenergy.html
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[mattl] I signed in for a second [Angelo_Mandato]
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[mattl] [Angelo_Mandato]
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[mattl] oh Slack, behave.
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[mattl] angelo ^^
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angelo ah, you triggered transcription and we can't turn it off
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[mattl] i’m sorry, i didn’t do anything but sign into Zoom. It must be my local settings that turn that on as I use it extensively (I’m deaf)
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[mattl] if we’re talking about the same thing… I usually get subtitles as people talk on Zoom.
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angelo yeah that's it. well, we've been overridden.
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angelo totally fine, don't worry about it
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[mattl] Yeah I’m not even sure how I turn it on. I just sign into Zoom and it’s there because my Mac knows I need subtitles?
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[artlung] Oi! Y’all are going late… Does anything need to be done on the zoom side that requires someone to log in?
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[artlung] Or more just concern that someone set a setting that was without consent?
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james1 robotic takeover
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[benji] No, everything is fine. We were just surprised because an IWC account showed up for a second, transcription got turned on, and left. But the curious thing is that as a host I am unable to turn it off, or I just can't find it in settings. Might need to be signed into the IWC account to turn it off. It's all good though
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[mattl] I love how we have a feature we don’t know how to turn ON or OFF.
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[artlung] I don’t have a link handy but I think the transcription is effectively automated captioning from inside Zoom but please note that’s not something IWC has used to publish transcripts to any place without explicit consent from all participants. We take care to only include text provided by members and for group photos we remind folks they are opting into a photo.
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[artlung] I feel like this warrants a HWC faq item.
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[mattl] yeah, because it’s also not obviously the “AI” thing that we recently turned off.
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mat.tl edited /Homebrew_Website_Club (+543) "added some notes about things the indieweb zoom account does" (view diff)
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[mattl] added some notes here ^^ re: this captioning thing.
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-p8suDOhpdEUd
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capjamesg [edit] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-p8suDOhpdEUd
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2025-08-20-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe created /events/2025-08-20-hwc-europe (+13030) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/homebrew-website-club-pacific-iYcBPvayG3ot
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capjamesg [edit] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/08/homebrew-website-club-pacific-iYcBPvayG3ot
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cali.moe created /events/2025-08-20-hwc-pacific (+4714) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2025-08-20-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-europe (-208) "clean formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-pacific (-218) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-349) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+39) "/* To-Study List! */" (view diff)
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[artlung] [mattl]++ Thank you so much for adding the text about Zoom to the HWC page!
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Loqi [mattl] has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (110 in all channels)
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-europe (+21) "/* Notes */ add subsection for event conversation" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+245) "/* 2023 */ +AddThis, enwp link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /site-deaths (+435) "/* AddThis */ +article, thx artlung!" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /tilde.club (+315) "improve dfn, blockquote with medium link, help desk guide" (view diff)
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gRegor what is tildeclub
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Loqi tilde.club is a service that gives you access to a shared Unix server where you can make webpages in your own folder on the domain tilde.club. It was set up by Paul Ford and is named after the tilde character that appears in the URL before the account name, e.g. http://tilde.club/~ford https://indieweb.org/tildeclub
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artlung.com edited /nostalgia (+22) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /tilde (+22) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /tilde.club (+22) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Yesterweb (+22) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /1990s (+22) (view diff)
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[artlung] _yes, and-_ing your addition there gRegor.
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mat.tl edited /tilde (+70) "/* IndieWeb Tildeverse Examples */" (view diff)
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gRegor hah, category retroweb. nice
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gRegor what is retroweb
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "retroweb" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "retroweb is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor retroweb is /Category:Retroweb
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loqi.me created /retroweb (+30) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[artlung] what is the internet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "internet" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "internet is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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mat.tl edited /tilde (+10) "Link to SDF page" (view diff)
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[mattl] will retroweb also have retronet or oldnet?
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artlung.com edited /1980s (+136) "adding a connection to BBS. and somehow we have no definition or redirect to the internet. hmm." (view diff)
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[mattl] or something similar?
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[artlung] It could. For now I wanted to glue together some of the retro/nostalgia entries on the wiki.
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artlung.com edited /1980s (+22) (view diff)
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[Sophie_Young] https://gooptech.neocities.org/404
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[artlung] Nice.
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mat.tl edited /1980s (+619) "added some info about the world, self." (view diff)
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[artlung] `me considers adding *1970s*` page.
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[mattl] please do.
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[mattl] what is iphone
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "iphone" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "iphone is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[mattl] iPhone is a cellphone sold by Apple that runs [[iOS]].
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loqi.me created /iPhone (+81) "prompted by [mattl] and dfn added by [mattl]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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artlung.com created /1970s (+302) "Created page with "[[Category:Retroweb]] {{stub}} The '''<dfn>1970s</dfn>''' was a decade [[1980s|before]] even the idea of the web existed, but the [[Internet]] was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet coming into being]. == IndieWeb Examples == === Joe Crawford === * {{artlung}} was born in the 70s"" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /iPhone (+184) (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /1980s (+96) "links to wikipedia" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is 1980s
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Loqi The 1980s was a decade before the web existed, until 1989 when it existed only in a conceptual proposal https://indieweb.org/1980s
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artlung.com edited /88x31 (+22) (view diff)
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[tantek] huh, that /1980s dfn needs indieweb-relevance
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[tantek] let's try to keep our articles IndieWeb focused instead of adding general facts that belong in Wikipedia
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mat.tl edited /1970s (+206) "added a little more history" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is relevance
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "relevance" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "relevance is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is indieweb relevance
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Loqi Anything directly related to people with their own websites, such as technologies and services used, design and UX, formats and protocols, as well as events or podcasts with IndieWeb talks or content are relevant to the IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_relevance
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[tantek] relevance is /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki
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loqi.me created /relevance (+42) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[artlung] Much discussion last night with two newcomers whose vector to indieweb is based in memories of 90s web. They specifically brought up Gemini and other retro tech
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[tantek] Gemini is not retrotech, it didn't exist back then
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mat.tl created /operating_system (+40) "this doesn't need a page" (view diff)
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[artlung] Bullshit. Retrotech can be meant to evoke old tech.
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[artlung] the invention *depends* on nostalgia.
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[tantek] no that's dilutionary
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[tantek] nostalgia is not the same as retro
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[mattl] Gemini is just a modern take on Gopher, I thought
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[tantek] feels quite different from Gopher
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[mattl] (I’ve never used it)
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[tantek] some overlap in principles / inspiration does not make something "the same"
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[artlung] embrace the squishy conceptual overlaps, good sir.
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artlung.com edited /Gemini_protocol (+22) (view diff)
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[tantek] squishy overlaps good - conflation is not
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[tantek] if everything is everything else, then nothing has meaning, so why bother wikifying
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[tantek] 1980s << to-do: 1. Please update the dfn to have indieweb [[relevance]]. 2. Please move generic info here to instead the equivalent Wikipedia pages (and optionally cite the <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:...]]</nowiki> page(s)).
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: 1. Please update the dfn to have indieweb [[relevance]]. 2. Please move generic info here to instead the equivalent Wikipedia pages (and optionally cite the <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:...]]</nowiki> page(s))." to the "See Also" section of /1980s https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103556&oldid=103549
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mat.tl moved /sdf to /SDF "usually known in caps"
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mat.tl edited /tilde.club (+111) (view diff)
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[tantek] iPhone << to-do: dfn needs IndieWeb [[relevance]]
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: dfn needs IndieWeb [[relevance]]" to a new "See Also" section of /iPhone https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103562&oldid=103548
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loqi.me edited /iPhone (+59) "[tantek] added "to-do: dfn needs IndieWeb [[relevance]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /1980s (-414) (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Sunlit (+22) (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Sunlit (+41) "add category and template for open source" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /IndiePass_for_Android (+62) "add category and template, fix link to iOS version" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Indigenous_for_iOS (+106) "add categories" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-pacific (+102) "/* Notes */ some added organization for the great conversation yesterday" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-pacific (+21) "/* Participants */" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /ISP (+656) "move some info from 1980s, links to other things." (view diff)
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mat.tl moved /usenet to /USENET "name is typically caps"
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-08-20-hwc-europe (+104) "superhuge images, enshrinkidinked" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /USENET (+303) "added indieweb example, links." (view diff)
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artlung.com created /Category:Retroweb (+130) "creation" (view diff)
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[mattl] capjamesg: do you mind if I move https://indieweb.org/User:Jamesg.blog/Gopher to /Gopher?
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mat.tl edited /email (+31) "add category" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Network_News_Transfer_Protocol (+32) "category, links" (view diff)
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[tantek] [mattl] capjamesg looks like a good start to an article, appreciate the IndieWeb Relevance section. Would be good add something about that to the dfn.
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mat.tl created /email_service (+46) "Redirected page to [[Category:Email service providers]]" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Email_service_providers (+130) "Created page with "{{stub}} Providers of [[email]] service with their own pages that are [[relevant to the IndieWeb wiki|relevant]] to the IndieWeb."" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Sonic (+89) "add categories" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:ISP (+124) "Created page with "{{stub}} [[Internet Service Providers]] with their own pages as [[relevant to the IndieWeb wiki|relevant]] to the IndieWeb."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Internet_Service_Providers (+17) "redirect to ISP" (view diff)
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capjamesg [mattl] Please move it.
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capjamesg It looks like [Jo] made that page!
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Loqi [Jo] has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (50 in all channels)
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capjamesg [Jo]++
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capjamesg I have no idea why it's under my name haha. Maybe there was a Loqi mixup.
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mat.tl moved /User:Jamesg.blog/Gopher to /User:Gopher "moving back to /Gopher"
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capjamesg Wait no, sorry, [tantek] moved it for me to work on (https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jamesg.blog/Gopher&action=history). I can't remember what I was to work on though.
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mat.tl deleted /Gopher "Deleted to make way for move from "[[User:Gopher]]""
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mat.tl moved /User:Gopher to /Gopher
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-06-04-hwc-europe (+1) "/* Notes */" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Gopher (+148) (view diff)
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[tantek] capjamesg, yeah: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-03-24#t1679683010087000
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] was just about to say, the /Gopher definition needs to directly include the present IndieWeb relevance, and that article needs an IndieWeb Examples section as the creator of the article's personal domain supports Gopher according to https://indieweb....
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artlung.com edited /tilde (+81) "/* IndieWeb Tildeverse Examples */" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /tilde (-16) "correct link for ben" (view diff)
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[tantek] Gopher << to-do: needs IndieWeb relevance in dfn (since 2023-03-24 https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-03-24#t1679683010087000)
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loqi.me edited /Gopher (+137) "[tantek] added "to-do: needs IndieWeb relevance in dfn (since 2023-03-24 https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-03-24#t1679683010087000)" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: needs IndieWeb relevance in dfn (since 2023-03-24 https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-03-24#t1679683010087000)" to a new "See Also" section of /Gopher https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=103610&oldid=103603
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[tantek] capjamesg, see https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2023-03-24#t1679697996030600 if you're still up for fixing the /Gopher page
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] capjamesg, do you have time to fix the Gopher page per ^ if I restore it right now?
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mat.tl created /Apple_Safari (+480) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''<dfn>Safari</dfn>''' is a [[web browser]] released by [[Apple]]. It is the primary browser for [[macOS]], [[iOS]], [[iPadOS]] and [[visionOS]]. It uses the [[WebKit]] rendering engine. A version for Windows was previously available but was discontinued. == IndieWeb Examples == * {{mat.tl}} primarily uses Safari. * {{addyourself}} == See also == * [[Safari Extensions|Safari extensions]] [[Category:Web browsers]] [[Category:macOS apps]] Category:iOS a..."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Safari (+26) "Redirected page to [[Apple Safari]]" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Microsoft_Edge (+36) "Redirected page to [[Google Chrome#Chromium]]" (view diff)
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[mattl] okay exhausted now.
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[artlung] [mattl] ++ amateur historians unite!
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[mattl] [artlung]++
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gregorlove.com edited /Category:Retroweb (+65) "dfn" (view diff)
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gRegor what is retroweb
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Loqi A list of Retroweb pages on the IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/retroweb
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mat.tl edited /sslmate (+22) "fix typo, add link" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:iOS_apps (+62) "Created page with "{{stub}} IndieWeb relevant apps available for the [[iPhone]]."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Android_apps (+80) "Created page with "{{stub}} IndieWeb relevant apps available for the [[Android]] operating system."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:macOS_apps (+57) "Created page with "{{stub}} IndieWeb relevant apps available for [[macOS]]."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Linux_apps (+110) "Created page with "{{stub}} IndieWeb relevant apps available for [[Linux]]. For apps for Android see [[:Category:Android apps]]."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Windows_apps (+69) "Created page with "{{stub}} IndieWeb relevant apps available for Microsoft [[Windows]]."" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /DuckDuckGo (+240) "clarification" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Mozilla (+777) "Move shutdowns from Firefox to Mozilla" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Non-web_Internet (+89) "Created page with "{{stub}} Various tools, projects and platforms that are related to but not web projects."" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /TTL (+20) "jargon" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /youtube-dl (+465) "add categories, clarify" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Internet (+1015) "Created page with "{{stub}} The '''<dfn>Internet</dfn>''' or simply the '''<dfn>net</dfn>''' is the name for the global communications network that links computers together on top of which the web lives. Originally created in the [[1960s]] as the ARPANET, public Internet access became a reality in the late [[1980s]] when [[ISP|internet service providers (ISPs)]] started to appear. The '''<dfn>World Wide Web</dfn>''' or simply '''<dfn>web</dfn>''' is the name for the global information s..."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:web_server (+179) "A little description for what this category is" (view diff)
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mat.tl edited /Template:stub (+115) "slight format tweak, add link to relevant information" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /IndieWeb_relevant (+22) "Redirected page to [[relevant]]" (view diff)
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[mattl] what is #chat
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Loqi chat is informal messaging offered by numerous services, a few of which interoperate or bridge with each other, and also a set of brainstorms for what an amazing indieweb friendly chat web app/site could do https://indieweb.org/chat
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[mattl] [tantek] we don’t have a #chat anymore, right?
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mat.tl edited /relevant_to_the_IndieWeb_wiki (-112) "formatting changes, remove reference to #chat" (view diff)
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[tantek] Right. We have #indieweb-random as the replacement generally
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mat.tl edited /protocol (+69) "add Link to protocols category" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /Category:Protocols (+124) "Created page with "{{stub}} '''Protocols''' on the IndieWeb are standard ways for sites & services to interact with each other and other apps."" (view diff)
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mat.tl created /ISPs (+17) "Redirected page to [[ISP]]" (view diff)