#meta 2025-09-10

2025-09-10 UTC
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[tantek] oh no it looks like maybe http://microformats.org is also getting hit by something slowing it down
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tantek.com edited /HTML_feed (+158) "move see alsos to tools and history sections, add current" (view diff)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] here's a spot to add all the HTML feed experiments/proposals from back in the early 2000s: https://indieweb.org/HTML_feed#History
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tantek.com edited /HTML_feed (+1) "]" (view diff)
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doesnm interesting use of json feed is beluga.social (maybe create page about them)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+0) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+160) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /single-serving_site (+100) "prompted by [artlung] and dfn added by [artlung]" (view diff)
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[artlung] can a page on the wiki be a pure redirect to wikipedia? how do we handle that?
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[tantek] yes
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[tantek] we have a bunch
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[tantek] what is BBS
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BBS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "BBS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] oh it's there, just Loqi is confused lol
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[tantek] ^ [artlung] click that link to view MediaWiki source for how to make a pure wikipedia redirect
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[tantek] I think I also added instructions to /wikify for that too
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artlung.com edited /single-serving_site (-57) "Redirected page to [[wikipedia:Single-serving site]]" (view diff)
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[artlung] done. thanks [tantek]++
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Loqi [tantek] has 36 karma in this channel over the last year (158 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is a single-serving site
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "single-serving site" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "single-serving site is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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doesnm looks like Loqi bug
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[tantek] yeah. My guess is that Loqi fails on the Wikipedia: redirect syntax and tries to access it as a path of http://indieweb.org instead of following the redirect as the wiki generates it , and thus encounters a 404 and reports that as we don't have a page
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net created /indieweb_book_club (+32) "Redirected page to [[IndieWeb Book Club]]" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net created /indieweb_movie_club (+33) "Redirected page to [[IndieWeb Movie Club]]" (view diff)
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gRegor Loqi should answer those regardless of case, though the redirects can be handy if you prefer to link to the lowercase version
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gRegor what is iNdIeWeB mOvIe cLuB
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Loqi IndieWeb Movie Club is a monthly movie themed blog carnival inspired by the indieweb-carnival started in August 2024 https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Movie_Club
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gRegor Redirects definitely handy for abbreviations and aliases though
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gRegor what is IMC
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Loqi IndieWeb Movie Club is a monthly movie themed blog carnival inspired by the indieweb-carnival started in August 2024 https://indieweb.org/IMC
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zacharykai.net created /indieweb_carnival (+31) "Redirected page to [[IndieWeb Carnival]]" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+44) "/* Inspired by this carnival */" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net edited /blog_carnival (+44) "/* List of Blogging Carnivals */" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+64) "/* For Host */" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+1) "/* History */" (view diff)
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zacharykai.net edited /Obsidian (+105) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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alabut.com edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+132) "Adding my entry to the book club." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Template:stub (-1) "rm line break at end, extra whitespace" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /HSTS (-11) "/* See Also */ Wikipedia link, fix local link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /HSTS (+450) "sections Warning, IndieWeb Examples, Brainstorming" (view diff)
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2025-12-09 7:27pm UTC (#7217)
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[tantek] 3 months until check https://indieweb.org/HSTS to see if there are any IndieWeb Examples (or any other substantial gardening / IndieWeb specific relevance) and if not, consider redirecting to Wikipedia instead
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marksuth.dev edited /IndieWeb_Book_Club (+15) "/* 2026 */" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] I wonder if plain text microsyntax brainstorming is appropriate for #indieweb main channel or is that borderline dev?
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[tantek] since the "audience" for microsyntax is anyone typing text into an input box with the intention of publishing it on a website
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[tantek] like literally the text as typed, not even interpreted/formatted like Markdown
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+224) "dfn indieweb relevance, move Twitter parenthetical to new History stub section" (view diff)
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[tantek] the warning on /HSTS may be sufficiently helpful to keep the page, since there's nothing similar on the Wikipedia page, and HSTS is definitely a website footgun for webdevs and especially personal sites
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gregorlove.com edited /HSTS (+308) "improve dfn" (view diff)
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gRegor Agreed
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gRegor what is hsts
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Loqi HSTS (HTTP Strict Transport Security) is a way for a website to indicate that it should only be accessed over HTTPS. It is a security mechanism that may be used on a personal site to prevent Manipulator in the Middle (MITM) attacks, however please note the important warning since it is difficult to undo https://indieweb.org/HSTS
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[tantek] lol didn't realize that was the new backronym
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gRegor Same! I like it
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gRegor found it on MDN
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gRegor Speaking of
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gRegor HSTS << https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Strict-Transport-Security
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Loqi ok, I added "https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/Strict-Transport-Security" to the "See Also" section of /HSTS https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=104388&oldid=104387
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[tantek] seems inaccurate. the entity in the middle could simply be monitoring, not manipulating
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gRegor snarfed.org has HSTS
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[tantek] I'm going with Miscreant in the Middle
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gRegor ooh, nice
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gRegor Mischief in the Middle
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gRegor This feels like another page for capjamesg :)
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[tantek] close
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[tantek] mischief-maker would a person committing mischief
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[tantek] "Malefactor in the Middle" as a single word no hyphens
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[tantek] also reminds me of Malcolm 😂
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gRegor Looks like Mark Dain wrote most of that page btw: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=HSTS&diff=prev&oldid=42221 Not sure if/how we want to attribute that. I think the warning there is fine for now.
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+265) "/* Brainstorming */ travel leg" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+4) "/* travel leg */" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor, one way to improve such seemingly "generic" pages is to remove "common" information that is otherwise summarized on the wikipedia page
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[tantek] improves the indieweb-specific signal among the generic noise
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2025-09-10-hwc-europe (+9904) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2025-09-10-hwc-europe (-240) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /microsyntax (+109) "/* travel leg */ add myself" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+136) "/* travel leg */ more options" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (-101) "/* travel leg */ incorporate into options" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+111) "/* travel leg */ add earlier aaronpk example" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /microsyntax (+633) "one line timeline or progress" (view diff)