#meta 2025-09-22

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gregorlove.com
edited /Astro (+28) "stub examples section"
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artlung.com
edited /large_language_model_traffic (-23) "definition rewrite attempt, fix plural to singular"
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[artlung]
what is Refern?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Refern" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Refern is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[artlung]
https://www.refern.app ~ oh wow. that shutdown notice for this pinterest-a-like is just painful lesson after painful lesson. sounds like it was too expensive to run, and it didn't plan for users using it for nsfw images - zero moderation plan is not good.
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[tantek]
Maybe worth an entry in /site-deaths and then redirect /Refern to that subsection
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[social]
Rule one when building a social platform with user generated content is NSFW content will show up and often very early (as in the first day and hours). Somehow this lesson from the early 2000s didn’t get learned.
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[tantek]
From the shutdown post, the creator is a recent college graduate so they were not selfaware in the early 2000s
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[social]
There really aught to be a list of lessons learned to go through that would greatly help avoid or mitigate problems that will likely be run into.
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[tantek]
Sounds like a good topic for a book!
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[social]
In my past few years mentoring grad students and some of their projects I point out the issues they will likely run into and how to plan for them. The guidance sometimes gets ignored and the lessons learned become their lived memory. Other times they hit them and they have a plan in place that works or helps deal with the issues.
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[social]
It could be a book. It is part of what my Complexity / Social Lenses are for, but there many sub-set collections that can be created like a list of lessons learned as starters.
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[artlung]
if history is not known it will not be learned from
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[social]
My long time phrase is, “You can not know until you know”
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gRegor
what is weird web october
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Loqi
Weird Web October is a 31 day challenge to make a website every day in October according to the theme of the day, inspired by Inktober, and open to anyone to participate by posting about their new sites with the hashtag #weirdweboctober https://indieweb.org/Weird_Web_October
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gRegor
[artlung], you did some of that last year right? Can add yourself to examples if you'd like
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gRegor
what is october
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Loqi
October is the 10th month of the Gregorian calendar year and a month of several blogging challenges such as Blogtober, Inktober, Mathober, Weird Web October, also a month where some sites display a seasonal Halloween theme, or may be in reference to October CMS https://indieweb.org/October
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gregorlove.com
edited /site-deaths (+354) "/* 2025 */ +Refern"
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gregorlove.com
created /Refern (+32) "r"
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gRegor
what is refern
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Loqi
Site deaths are when sites go offline, taking content and permalinks with them, and breaking the web accordingly https://indieweb.org/Refern
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capjamesg
What is external content?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "external content" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "external content is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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loqi.me
created /webmention_spoof (+32) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor"
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loqi.me
created /indiethorpes (+23) "prompted by [schmarty] and redirect added by [schmarty]"
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jak2k.eu
edited /large_language_model_traffic (+208) "/* Tools to combat */ Add Iocaine"
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artlung.com
edited /large_language_model_traffic (+188) "/* Tools to combat */ Anubis can be used without js"
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artlung.com
edited /large_language_model_traffic (+182) "/* Tools to combat */"
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www.nermut.site
created /User:Www.nermut.site (+222) "Created page with "<div class="p-summary"> {{Infobox person |name = nermut |url = https://www.nermut.site |photo_url = |pronouns = he/him |summary = A maker, of guitars, and new things. |elsewhere = |contact = |chatname = nermut }} </div>""
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gRegor
nermut++ congrats!
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Loqi
nermut has 1 karma over the last year
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tantek.com
edited /reel (+152) "stub IndieWeb Examples, Silo Examples sections"
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tantek.com
edited /reel (-1) "move cat before see also"
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artlung.com
edited /Buttondown (+152) "/* How */ rss can be a source"
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gRegor
/reel feels like just Instagram, unless some other service calls them that
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alabut.com
edited /pin (+281)
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[Al_Abut]
[gRegorLove] true, but calling reels “short form vertical video that’s different from stories because they have permalinks and don’t expire” is a bit of a mouthful :)
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gRegor
I think IG stories can be pinned too, so don't have to be ephemeral. Though yeah, don't think they expose a permalink (or not very easily)
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[Al_Abut]
True! And collecting into something they call highlights, I think?
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[Al_Abut]
*collected
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gRegor
I guess lowercase "reel" is a good overall name. They can be ephemeral or not.
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[Al_Abut]
I think highlights are like albums or playlists for short videos
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gRegor
As a regular TikTok viewer, I would never call those videos "reels" personally, so that's probably my brain's disconnect. But that's just me
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gRegor
yeah, that sounds right
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gRegor
Also yes, interesting that the vertical orientation is one of the main differentiators. Even on TikTok I think you can do up to 10 minutes now, so it's not just the length that makes it different from a YouTube
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gRegor
what is highlight
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Loqi
A highlight is a reaction post of a range of content that consists typically of just a restyling (like a yellow background as you might use a yellow physical highlighter, or an underline) https://indieweb.org/highlight
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gRegor
very specific :)
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gRegor
what is story
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Loqi
A story is a singular (one per profile) time stream collection post, that consists of ephemeral photo and video posts that are shown in sequence one at a time and disappear from the collection some time after being added, usually 24 hours https://indieweb.org/story
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[Al_Abut]
ah, I mentioned that I thought you’re a TikTok this morning to [capjamesg] when we were looking at [artlung]‘s new /reels page, been meaning to ask you about it and will remember for the next coffee zoom
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[Al_Abut]
*a tiktok user, not that I thought you were a tiktok. Man, my phone’s autocomplete is acting up today…
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gRegor
Alexa, play Tik Tok by Kesha
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gRegor
Watcher of, yeah. Have only very briefly thought about putting myself out there. Would want an indie-first approach if I did, though, which is part of why I haven't haha
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[Al_Abut]
I definitely want to add more video to my site, whether vertical or not. I experimented with a draft blog post last year to see how onerous adding a <video> element would be:
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gRegor
Also concerned I would very quickly not want to keep doing it, the whole dont-like-seeing-hearing-myself thing XD
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gRegor
getting more into random chat territory, haha
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gRegor
Ooh nice
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[Al_Abut]
Oh yeah, I don’t pay attention to channel names, haha
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gRegor
No, I mean I was drifing into random territory. You're good
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[tantek]
definitely open to a more "generic" name than "reel" which I agree IG has popularized
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[tantek]
before that I do remember people calling them "TikToks" as in conflating the service with the post kind/format
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[tantek]
and before that, people called them "vines", again, named after the service
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[tantek]
what is a short
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "short" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "short is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor
Yep, naming after the service has strong memetic power
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[Al_Abut]
Yeah, short videos is the closest I can get
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gRegor
Then bluesky going feral with "skeets" haha
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gRegor
oh weird, I thought we had /short
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[tantek]
"short" is my suggestion, based on the prior art/naming of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_film ["Short" was an abbreviation for either term.]
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gRegor
good job past me. sure that's seen a lot of use
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[tantek]
vague reference to reels in that article too: "…when confined to two 35 mm reels or less…"
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[tantek]
what is a featurette
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "featurette" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "featurette is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[Al_Abut]
Well, I guess they’re short and also vertical, but that’s a limitation of the mobile-first social media sites that use them. Part of why I got excited this weekend to copy Joe and add a dedicated /video section to my site was to break out of vertical and post horizontal stuff
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[Al_Abut]
It’s not the driving factor, vertical has a lot of positives that I’ve learned to embrace (looks immersive on mobile without looking bad on desktop, whereas the horizontal videos are microscopic on mobile)
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[tantek]
were vines verticle?
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[Al_Abut]
Yep!
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[tantek]
vertical*
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[Al_Abut]
go down the rabbit hole of vines compilations that are saved on youtube, they’re hilarious
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[Al_Abut]
That 8 second limitation was GENIUS
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[Al_Abut]
Some of the funniest stuff I’ve ever seen in my life
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gRegor
"Road work ahead? Uh, yeah, I hope it do!"
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[Al_Abut]
Hahahahaha
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Loqi
awesome
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gRegor
Yeah, so many quotable memes from Vines to this day
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[Al_Abut]
Some of the coolest magic editing tricks too
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[Al_Abut]
And with that, I’m off to dinner. Later skaters…
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[tantek]
I thought it was 4 second limitation
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gRegor
6 seconds iirc
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gRegor
Maybe Vine+ was 8 seconds, haha