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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-11-28.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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yesoperator what is etherpad
# Loqi Etherpad is an open source, real-time, collaborative document editing tool that the IndieWebCamp community often uses to take notes during IndieWebCamps at https://etherpad.indieweb.org/ https://indieweb.org/Etherpad
# yesoperator Is there any sort of timeline, automated or human, for how long a given Pad might stick around? I understand from this doc that the primary use-case is for it to last ~1 session, maybe a few days until someone archives it. Thinking I'd like to create one now for my event in a few weeks to use for collaborative planning
# yesoperator Also the note on there about emoji's seems to be out of date https://etherpad.indieweb.org/p/hS-aptTI9DUjvvdWXXXT
# crapidiot Salutations :3 is anyone here interested in writing a "digital gardening manifesto" of sorts? I plan to put together a website that's a "community garden" of "standardized" beliefs around digital gardening. By standard, I really mean that it's descriptive of how the community feels, not prescriptive
# crapidiot As well as a call to action and guide for new gardeners
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# Loqi Archive of our own (AO3) is an open source and volunteer-led fanfiction website that community members have discussed backfeeding comments from https://indieweb.org/AO3
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[tantek] !tell GWG can you check your archives of IWC 2024 Brighton videos? Was there a recording for the Pictures session at 14:00 event-local time? https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton/Schedule#Saturday
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# Loqi GWG: [tantek] left you a message 15 minutes ago: can you check your archives of IWC 2024 Brighton videos? Was there a recording for the Pictures session at 14:00 event-local time? https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton/Schedule#Saturday
# yesoperator Reposting my question from yesterday: Is there any sort of timeline, automated or human, for how long a given etherpad.indieweb.org Pad might stick around? I understand from this doc that the primary use-case is for it to last ~1 session, maybe a few days until someone archives it. Thinking I'd like to create one now for my event in a few weeks to use for collaborative planning
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-11-28.html
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# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-11-28.html
# Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2025-11-28.html
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gRegor Re: some discussion in main channel, from [morgan]'s comment, maybe chat.indieweb.org could have a banner linking to /discuss, or the https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes subsection at least. Maybe a short one liner that it's a global community and response times may vary.
# [morgan] [gRegorLove] thank you for engaging- I was just writing this before I saw your suggestion
# [morgan] I would just add a meta comment to my discussion in the main channel - I don't think everyone quite necessarily reads all of the info that's very well laid out about what channels to use for different discussion or have any indication of how big the rooms are. I don't remember reading all of this before I clicked the chat on the web client, which brought me to a empty slate experience of an empty history room.
# [morgan] It was only after setting up a client and being around for a significant while I learned some of the pace and level of engagement in the place.
# [morgan] I am thinking of a pro active suggestion but basically even an introductory message which said "You are in a chat room with 1400+ participants who may be mostly offline at any given time. Please see Chat Channel Purposes for descriptions of where to put things. We are friendly and feel free to ask!" https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels_Purposes
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# [morgan] The chat URL you just shared that's on the site
# gRegor For #indieweb right now that is: "Please see https://indieweb.org/discuss for channel purposes and logging policies. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct"
# [morgan] out of 10 I would rank this a 1.5/10 issue but basically it did influence my perception of people who join and seem to expect things. Aware of good efforts that have gone into making the welcome experience and tradeoffs from different approaches
# [morgan] I think everyone is a bit in their own world when it comes to online spaces too that have a large number of potential participants but at any given time a small number and maybe a core pool of like 30(?) who sort of input into processes and organize
# [morgan] I don't think anyone has really figured out how to iron every wrinkle
# gRegor Started an issue if you or anyone else wants to add thoughts: https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues/69
# [morgan] Just to add - basically I had a good onboarding experience to the Indieweb because I had heard of it before and was familiar with the practice of operating my own website and stuff. But I do have distinct memories of joining the web client and finding it not very illuminating or oriented to what I later learned the culture was like
# [morgan] Even just a message that somehow reminds people that we are friendly but there are also over 1k people in the room just sets the scene a little more
# [morgan] That is also a good concern
# [morgan] I've been thinking a bit more about this kind of setup and how it's sort of weird in every instance
# [morgan] Nominally large group of potential participants or viewers , many idle or not active, but could be lurking , smaller core of very active participants, varied levels of specific participation (i.e for events only, not the chat). It's a testament to the skill of all the contributors and organizers here to navigate these sort of signals
# [morgan] Like what I'm saying is these group dynamics have a real appeal and vitality but basically have felt strange the entire time I've been online and in various chat slack irc etc.
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# osteophage What does the new member Discord message say currently? It's been a while since I joined, so I don't remember the specifics.
# crapidiot gRegor: It's def not. Most people interested in online community are in servers 1000+
# crapidiot It's just only 20 or so ppl active per 1k
# crapidiot gRegor: Was that me? Lmao
# crapidiot Ik I was wondering
# crapidiot osteophage[d]: 1)agree to the rules 2) introduce yourself that's it
# crapidiot OHHH DUH
# crapidiot maybe just say "we have a lot of members" but keep that information low-key
# crapidiot Yes
# crapidiot It's not a good indicator of lurkers
# crapidiot It's just who's online
# osteophage This came up because we were talking about expectations of activity levels, so I'm imagining an automated message something along the lines of "While we do have many members, bear in mind that not of us are online simultaneously and your messages may not receive an immediate response."
# crapidiot Oooo
# crapidiot That's perfect!
# osteophage Thank you. :3