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ulhar4409 having Loqi say that might be confusing though?
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ulhar4409 ~~also imagining someone just responding to "may i help you" with "yes"~~
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itskalvaxus Yep, I know Loqi is a bot from reading it on the wiki.. but it's not clear within the Discord UI
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[tantek] Yeah I tend to prefer teaching Loqi to be funny
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gRegor Don't think there's much we can do about that. Loqi is on IRC, not a typical Discord bot you add to a server.
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aaronpk and everyone not on discord shows up as "app" on discord too
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[morgan] I'll follow up with the GitHub issue gRegor raised to see about adding an orientation message to the chat client
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gRegor Responding with a friendlier version of https://indieweb.org/no_hello might work
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[tantek] Iā€™m still a fan of a Lionel Ritchie style response šŸ˜†
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[morgan] Part of why I care about this whole thing even if it's a 1.5/10 issue is that I want to believe everyone is fully oriented when they arrive, so I can ignore "hello only" or impulse driven response seeking stuff
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gRegor lol [tantek]. love it
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[tantek] You can ignore whatever you'd like to in chat. There's plenty of folks here these days to eventually respond to folks. No need to take it on as a personal responsibility
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gRegor Loqi responding with various song lyrics with "Hello" in them. Lionel, Adele, etc.
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[tantek] gRegor maybe only Lionel Ritchie response if someone says hello?
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[morgan] You are very correct Tantek in concrete terms it just remains something I think could be improved a little - I'll follow up with gRegor in GitHub and actually do the thing I'm proposing etc
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[tantek] Newcomer: "Hello?"
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[tantek] Loqi: "Is it a personal website you're looking for?"
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gRegor XD
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gRegor Funny, though that response also confusable for a legit question
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[tantek] Right, it could link to "get started" at the end
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[morgan] Does Loqi know if someone is new or not ?
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ulhar4409 also, random thing for discord: cafe lacks a topic/overview entry, and for that matter making threads is a permission that can be revoked
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[tantek] We definitely need a topic for #indieweb-cafe to remind people to bus their own tables
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crapidiot [tantek]: This isn't a bar or cafe there are completely different etiquette rules.
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crapidiot Everyone wants to have a village nobody wants to be a villager huh
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crapidiot ulhar4409[d]: Yes!
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crapidiot [tantek]: Agreed
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crapidiot But you can't throw someone in the deep end of a quiet community and expect them to stay
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yesoperator From my observation a few days here, there are enough humans who will say a quick, kind "hello, welcome :)", If those kind, welcoming humans know they can say something specific like "{{{welcome}}} to the channel!" and that causes Loqi to spew a `please_read_about_indieweb_chat.html` which speaks to the idiosyncrasies and current culture of this chat in a kind, direct, expectation-setting way, people might just learn to do t
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[tantek] lol so true re wanting a village without being a villager
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[tantek] I'll say it again, I think it's ok if people who prefer a loud community bounce
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[tantek] There are plenty of other places on the internet for that
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[tantek] I'd rather be welcoming to folks who prefer a quieter, slower, more chill, less overwhelming community.
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/discuss is the page that speaks to the culture and is linked in the channel topics (cafe channel exception aside)
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crapidiot It should be pinned as well, if it's not already
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crapidiot I looked through pinned and descriptions to get a sense of what was going on and found nothing
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gRegor How did you come across indieweb? Was it a direct invite to the Discord or had you seen some pages on indieweb.org first? Always interested in the steps people are taking.
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gRegor If /discuss and /CoC aren't in descriptions there we should definitely update that
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[tantek] Pinned in Discord is a good call
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[tantek] I wonder if that works with the deletion window
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gRegor Probably not, pretty sure it would delete the pinned post
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gRegor Discord channel descriptions probably better since at least the first bit of text is visible at the top of the page (desktop at least). Pinned posts you have to click an icon to see
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crapidiot gRegor: I've been searching for communities a lot and indie web is one of the ones I found, although I held off because I thought it was mostly ppl from the UK (idr why)
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crapidiot gRegor: Wym? You get more than one pin per channel
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crapidiot You get like 50 free
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gRegor Did you find the website indieweb.org first then joined Discord?
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crapidiot crapidiot[d]: As in .com, through duck duck go
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crapidiot Ya
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gRegor The Discord channel description shows at least some of the description always at the top of the page.
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gRegor Vs pinned posts, you have to click an icon to see them.
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crapidiot Ya you just give them a title
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gRegor You still have to click a pin icon to see them.
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crapidiot It also helps because you can see what people said about it or alternatively what other important posts it's near
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tantek.com yeah I think the auto-delete window makes pinned posts in the Discord useless so we shouldn't waste time with that
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