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[Al_Abut]
And I still can’t believe that [dshanske] is hiding code words in the license plate of my new car, that’s some magical hacking skills right there.
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[Al_Abut]
Hiding in plain sight
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[tantek]
[Al_Abut] you are my canary, if there are others here in chat with aliases that you find confusing or disassociated from their names, please LMK!
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tantek.com
edited /pmarca (-40) "not indieweb relevant enough to deserve its own page, already a page for the full name"
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[tantek]
anyone else here in chat besides [artlung], GWG, [snarfed] regularly use an /alias here?
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GWG
I feel like I need to find my own reciprocal rant
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osteophage
[tantek]: An alias in the general sense?
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osteophage.neocities.org
edited /Pillowfort (+1462) "moved blogposts up out of See Also, created Blogposts section with more links, added wiki links for comments and chronological feed, and added release date for premium features"
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[tantek]
in the here in chat sense, and as described in the page https://indieweb.org/alias
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[tantek]
once clue is if someone hasn't added themselves to /chat-names or defined a chatname Template: for themselves then I figured they didn't want to be listed
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[tantek]
there's an element here of respecting the pseudonymity of aliases that are not "obviously" connected to an actual name
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[tantek]
hmm, I should note that in the examples
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osteophage
Sounds like a good idea.
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GWG
By the way, we did do this....
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GWG
Who is gwg?
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Loqi
David Shanske is an Indieweb enthusiast from New York, working on Indieweb WordPress plugin development https://indieweb.org/User:David.shanske.com
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tantek.com
edited /wikifying (+89) "link to setup personal wiki template rather than sparkline"
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tantek.com
edited /alias (+377) "note aliases listed in examples are only those linked to actual names, don't add pseudonymous folks"
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[tantek]
thanks osteophage, good questions. ^ updated
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loqi.me
created /Open_Social (+23) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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tantek.com
edited /OpenSocial (+485) "Aftermath, Tom Coates twitter poll"
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tantek.com
edited /OpenSocial (-15) "/* See Also */ wikilink wp"
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osteophage.neocities.org
edited /Pillowfort (+552) "added Tassel, RSS Bridge, and Progressive Web App"
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[artlung]
Well, in my case "artlung" was the handle I chose as username when I had the capability to choose a moniker on whatever system I was on. It was also the root name of the first domain name I "bought" to use. I think of it as "username" and not "alias" or "nickname" or "nick" but different people might use them as synonyms. And because they use them as synonyms, they are, despite the nuances.
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[artlung]
The human idea of _name_ is incredibly rich across human cultures. People change them when they marry, they add new names as part of religious and cultural ritual, they decline to share some "true names" with some forms of stranger. Names are huge.
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[tantek]
yes, and we've tried to document the intersection of those considerations and the indieweb
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[tantek]
what is pseudonymous
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Loqi
Pseudonymity is the concept of having an anonymous identity that is the same across multiple sessions or websites https://indieweb.org/pseudonymous
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[tantek]
what is nymwars?
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Loqi
nymwars is the name for the assumption, made by Facebook and Google+ that enforcing "real names" improves a social website; this was opposed by many people who have very good reasons for pseudonymity or anonymity https://indieweb.org/nymwars
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[tantek]
[artlung] if I made a mistake by adding you to the /alias examples, happy to remove (or feel free to). I was going by remembering you saying in several Zooms (HWC or other?) that you will respond to / don't mind being called by that alternative name, which seemed to fit the meaning of an "alias" in addition to username / domain
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[artlung]
Oh no, folks have been calling me “art” as in “artlung” for decades. All good.
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[artlung]
What's great is my brain reads it as “art” as in “Arthur” (my middle name)
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[tantek]
oh cool!
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[tantek]
perhaps we have enough pages related to names or naming to merit a Category 🤔
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tantek.com
edited /OpenSocial (+162) "finish blockquote"
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tantek.com
edited /OpenSocial (-5) "/* See Also */ rm extra puncts"
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[tantek]
^ FYI [KevinMarks] "open social" now supposedly means "AT Protocol"
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[tantek]
^ another (naming) bikeshedding fight I'm not getting into this year 🙊 (cc: [Al_Abut])
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[Al_Abut]
[tantek] good for you! You're making me reflect a bit on my own personal triggers for reactivity and whether I can sublimate those instincts elsewhere in 2026.
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[Al_Abut]
The answer is probably to blog more
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[Al_Abut]
Debate on socials and slack less
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[tantek]
Definitely drop socials debates to zero
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[tantek]
At least here we have a smaller group of folks with some affinity based on shared values and goals
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[tantek]
(Here in the indieweb chats that is)
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[tantek]
So it's much easier to assume good faith and lack of sock puppets / paid actors (unlike the socials per the Twitter account-geo-reveals)
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loqi.me
created /recentchanges (+27) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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gRegor
Hah, think it's safe to delete /gregors_karma_alias :)
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gregorlove.com
deleted /gregors_karma_alias "ancient works, not really indieweb relevant now :)"
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manuelmoreale.com
created /Template:manuelmoreale (+159) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|1=https://manuelmoreale.com/apple-touch-icon.png}} [[User:Manuelmoreale.com|Manuel Moreale]]</span>""
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gRegor
Kill Process << [[William Hertling]]
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loqi.me
edited /Kill_Process (+40) "gRegor added "[[William Hertling]]" to "See Also""
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gregorlove.com
edited /2018/william-hertling (+24) "+William Hertling in dfn"
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gRegor
GWG, do you have the indiewebcamp YouTube account login? I was going to work more on copying videos to archive.org that aren't yet
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gRegor
I don't see it in 1password
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gRegor
I'd prefer to sign in and download than fiddle with yt-dl or something
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GWG
I think someone gave access to my account at some point.
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GWG
I don't think you log into it
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GWG
Let me look
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gRegor
Ah, interesting
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GWG
gRegor: aaronpk is the owner, you'd have to ask him to add you. He has added people before, I see a list.
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GWG
It has been a while, considering who has access.
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gRegor
Nice. aaronpk, can you add my account, gregorlove?
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GWG
I bulk downloaded them all to my server a while ago.
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aaronpk
fwiw the download feature in youtube does not give you the full 1080p resolution
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GWG
aaronpk: Good to know
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gRegor
really? wow
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gRegor
what is yt-dl
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "yt-dl" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "yt-dl is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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loqi.me
created /yt-dl (+23) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor"
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[artlung]
what is yt-dlp?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "yt-dlp" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "yt-dlp is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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loqi.me
created /yt-dlp (+23) "prompted by [artlung] and redirect added by [artlung]"
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gRegor
thanks!
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gRegor
Honestly not sure I feel like installing something just to get the videos, heh. Maybe I'll stick to archiving the ones in the Zoom account
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[artlung]
maybe a project for another day
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capjamesg
reacted with 👋 to <gRegor> Nice. aaronpk, can you add my account, …
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gRegor
Man, Discord--
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Loqi
Discord has -2 karma over the last year
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[aciccarello]
What do I need to start a zoom call tomorrow?
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[artlung]
[aciccarello] there's a "Schedule a Zoom Meeting" button on every event under http://events.indieweb.org you can select. and then, to start it, a person with access to the indieweb zoom via 1Password can start it. Or you can request access as a user of the group 1Password from aaronpk.
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[aciccarello]
Okay, is someone with access able to join at noon eastern tomorrow?
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[artlung]
I happen to be RSVPd to that event and can commit to starting it.
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[artlung]
[aciccarello]++ for stepping up to host!
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Loqi
[aciccarello] has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (34 in all channels)
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[aciccarello]
Great! Thanks artlung!
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[artlung]
what is open access?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "open access" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "open access is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[artlung]
can I make a wikipedia redirect with loqi? I think it'd be. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_access
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[artlung]
maybe worthwhile? not sure
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tantek.com
created /2026/Nuremberg (+1867) "stub based on 2023 so there's at least something for folks coming from the events.indieweb event!"
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tantek.com
edited /2025-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+34) "+2026/Nuremberg wiki page started"
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[tantek]
[artlung] you can try like
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loqi.me
created /open_access (+34) "prompted by [artlung] and redirect added by [tantek]"
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[tantek]
hah that worked
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artlung
what is open access?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "open access" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "open access is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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artlung
but it does redirect
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[tantek]
it does, but what is is awkward
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[tantek]
what is open access
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "open access" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "open access is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]
^ false, we do have a page and Loqi can't parse the redirect so it fails out
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[artlung]
yes, exactly, that's what I checked. works fine
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[tantek]
and with the /2026/Nuremberg page we have a full gift calendar for 2025! Feel free to get in your last minute gifts today folks!
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gRegor
what is gift calendar
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Loqi
🎁 Welcome to the IndieWeb Gift Calendar! The 2025 IndieWeb Gift Calendar is the 9th annual group effort to gift (ship) one or more IndieWeb-related thing(s) each day of December that others can use to improve their IndieWeb experience https://indieweb.org/gift_calendar
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gregorlove.com
edited /Omnibear (+192) "present tense, add bulleted list of browser extension links, notes about pending/TBD"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Omnibear (-120) "mv up install from source, clean up SA"
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gRegor
^ The old add-on links which don't work currently are still in the HTML comments near the top of https://indieweb.org/Omnibear in case they come back
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gregorlove.com
edited /Omnibear (+25) "+cat:open source"
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[aciccarello]
I'll update the Firefox link when that review comes through (submitted a few days ago now)
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[aciccarello]
I submitted a support request to the chrome web store. We'll see if they can help us at all.
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gRegor
fingers crossed!
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aaronpk
oh i actually likely have the originals of some/most of the 2014-2018 stuff that's on youtube
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[tantek]
Videos? That we could back post to Internet Archive?
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gRegor
Was hoping to help spread out the work some :) I can come back to it. It's probably better to prioritize getting more recent camps from Zoom -> archive.org
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aaronpk
i could put them in a syncthing folder if you want to get them that way so you can upload them