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www.ciccarello.me
edited /404 (+23) "humor for loqi?"
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www.ciccarello.me
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michaelkupietz.com
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xn--gr1a.xn--5tzm5g webrings
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xn--gr1a.xn--5tzm5g webrings
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artlung.com
edited /block (+258) "A Bluesky account which posts the reply which immediately precedes a block"
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artlung.com
created /Category:social_verb (+167) "adding category text"
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artlung.com
edited /Category:social_verb (-31) "trim to just text add"
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artlung.com
edited /video_reply (+232) "this dfn was thin. thickened."
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artlung.com
edited /deplatforming (+28) "/* See Also */ adding cross link to "social verb" category"
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artlung.com
edited /post (+28) "cross linking to social verb"
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artlung.com
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[artlung]
Not sure what to do with "quoting" entry. Seems like "reply" ought to supersede it. https://indieweb.org/quoting
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artlung.com
edited /Open_Heart_Protocol (+33) "missing examples"
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artlung.com
edited /Open_Heart_Protocol (+6) "enrich a little"
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artlung.com
edited /Lwa (+20) "/* See Also */"
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artlung.com
edited /reacji (-207) "/* Joe Crawford */ removed my open heart icons on these. Will add myself back as I intend to add them back ... somewhere"
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[tantek]
[artlung] /reply /quote and /quoting are all different /response types but different enough in both meaning and presentation that you can't really collapse them
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[tantek]
Also is "social verb" a synonym for or highly overlapping with an ActivityStreams "activity"? In AS1 I believe they were even called verbs
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[artlung]
I wanted the category. Could be “digital sociology” too. Something to encompass the old, current and future of person interactions and sorts of replies and conversations [tantek]
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[tantek]
what are interactions?
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Loqi
responses, or interactions, in the context of the indieweb, refer to all the different ways and things people explicitly do to and with others’s posts, from written replies to quick likes, in other words responses = replies + reactions https://indieweb.org/interactions
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[artlung]
Like “poke” and “retweet” belong in it.
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[tantek]
a category makes sense to more easily cross-link/discover such pages. is it a synonym for that interactions? I'm trying to understand the need to introduce a new term. it feels a bit jargony, like "social media" which obviously eventually became a pop-culture term
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[artlung]
Not trying to coin anything
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[tantek]
"digital sociology" I understand even less tbh. like is it a subset of the formal field of "sociology"? is it conducting/studying "sociology" purely in digital form?
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[artlung]
Tool to facilitate cross discovery
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[artlung]
My own itch
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[tantek]
I mean yeah if there's a prior reference to a phrase like that in the news media that overlaps indieweb then we should have a page on it to connect the dots
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[artlung]
It’s my own minimal term to describe the social aspects and the action part. A useful abstraction. For me!
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gregorlove.com
edited /CSS_Grid (+0) "fix double redirect"
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[social]
A long time term of “techno social” may work
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[tantek]
Hard for me to take "social" phrases seriously because "social media" has kind of ruined the category unfortunately because it seems to amplify anti-social behavior more than actual social behavior
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[tantek]
Also "social xyz" phrases were kind of worn out by overzealous marketing in the Web 2.0 days
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[tantek]
Remember "social object"? That may be why I’m having some difficulty with "social verb" tbh
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[social]
Other people misusing and overusing terms doesn’t mean they are wrong or not incredibly helpful. There is always a cycle when a term hits popularity and it starts getting misused and used for everything. But, over time that erosion of meaning has people stop using the term and it becomes helpful again. Things are a bit better in academic circles. I’ve watched nearly everything around in web and digital systems go through this.
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[social]
Jyri Engstron’s creation of “social object” as an easier to access term than socially mediated objects that Karin Knorr Cetina initially used. Having that term make getting the focus and use far easier to get right. As the term’s use grew it made it a mess to use it thanks to people who didn’t understand the term and continually misused it. I’ve worked with a few groups who missed the mess part of the cycle for the ter
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[social]
been using the term and understandings it leads to really well to improve product and projects they are working on.
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[artlung]
It's not about the term for me, it's about the grouping. About having a useful bucket. I wish I'd had that category when we had our popup on culture of indieweb. As a lookup.
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[artlung]
I am not making any sort of thesis, a mere attempt at a taxonomy.
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[social]
For that “digital sociology” and “technology culture studies” are both commonly used terms for books, research, and articles.
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[social]
[tantek] I understand term pollution and frustration well and don’t want to minimize that.
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[artlung]
I missed that. I like how it overlaps the need to quantify browser compliance with the tooling for social spaces
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[artlung]
“Acid test” indeed.
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zephnet.biz
edited /Philadelphia (+212) "added several past philly hwcs"
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[tantek]
[artlung]++ to be clear, something is better than nothing, especially when it comes to discovery and navigability. a working term/phrase for something is better than none. ultimately we'll see how the terms/phrases are used and can iterate based on experience.
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Loqi
[artlung] has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (250 in all channels)
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[tantek]
that reminds me of a past example of such iteration
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tantek.com
edited /POSE (+74) "note everywhere -> elsewhere iteration / evolutionary change as well"
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[artlung]
Funny you edit POSE [tantek] ~ I briefly considered creating a {{historical}} banner for pages. Similar in concept to how {{stub}} is used maybe. A banner to set the context. I see some pages kept around e.g. https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_Historical
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[artlung]
I may do so. Thanks! I forgot about that banner!
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[tantek]
obv that's a very specialized banner that does more than you need for that use-case. I thought the "information blue" design language could be helpful to re-use
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[artlung]
I have been meaning to learn the ins and outs of {{stub}} - all its moving parts and side effects.
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kvibber.com
edited /User:Kvibber.com (-45) "Update links that I've moved so far from my old site to my new site."
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gRegor
Only adds it to Category:stubs, which I think is a recent update in the last year or so
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gregorlove.com
edited /Template:stub/doc (+63) "note category, code format"
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gRegor
interesting, I hadn't noticed the subcategories in https://indieweb.org/Category:stubs. I'm not sure that hierarchy makes the most sense.
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gRegor
I think they're mostly side effects of adding the stub template, not intentional
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[tantek]
Wikipedia has subcategories of stubs. Up to us whether or not we would find value in any of that (compared to the labor necessary to "get it right enough")