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osteophage.neocities.org edited /analytics (+275) "added You Do Not Need “Analytics” For Your Blog" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Neocities (+199) "added r/neocities frequently asked questions" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[snarfed] rnkn (from #indieweb): the fact that you need a bouncer, and to know what that is, to use IRC effectively, is one clear argument against its UX
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[snarfed] also many people here do like and prefer open source and tools, but they're not necessary or explicitly part of indieweb. closed source can be ok too!
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[artlung] Funny enough we discussed this in the US pacific HWC meeting. Indieweb is not about “no closed source, no paid software, no paid services”… it's about control over our own work: content, images, writing, etc. and it’s a spectrum of usage.
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[snarfed] artlung++ hell yes. especially paid software/services! discouraging them is imo a toxic self-harming idea. insidiously supports advertising as the one remaining business model 😕
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Loqi artlung has 37 karma in this channel over the last year (234 in all channels)
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herebox #indieweb snapshot
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IWDiscord <h​erebox>
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herebox libera irc - 220 users, 12 with inside [brackets]
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herebox discord - 139 online 770 offline
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herebox one message per line looks like - 21:15 +IWDiscord <h​erebox> #indieweb snapshot
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artlung.com edited /Meta_Platforms (+19) "Silo category" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Meta_Platforms (+245) "/* See Also */ teens/ (Meta’s) Agreement With Bipartisan Attorneys General: Calling on TikTok and YouTube to Join Us in Supporting Teens" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+356) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] rnkn, debates about Slack vs IRC have nothing to do with the indieweb because they have nothing to do with your personal site
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[capjamesg] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2026/09/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-xL3PsVwBUQU3
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iwc-archive-bot Created https://indieweb.org/events/2026-09-02-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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jamesg.blog created /events/2026-09-02-hwc-europe (+8881) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2026-09-02-hwc-europe (+36) "/* Participants */ oops, i forgot to add myself as a participant :)" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2026-09-02-hwc-europe (-137) "/* Ways to do includes? */ add section heading, clean formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2026-09-02-hwc-europe (-62) "remove duplicate title" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] poetry << [https://dotjay.com/2008/06/poetry-punctuation-markup-and-screen-readers Poetry, punctuation, markup & screen readers] (2008)
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://dotjay.com/2008/06/poetry-punctuation-markup-and-screen-readers Poetry, punctuation, markup & screen readers] (2008)" to the "See Also" section of /poetry https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=113338&oldid=113318
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[capjamesg] poetry < [https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14734564/how-to-semantically-tag-poem-text How to semantically tag poem text?] (Stack Overflow)
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jamesg.blog edited /zine (+219) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ add capjamesg examples" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh fun, the hard drive filled up with nginx logs 😂
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aaronpk even though i had logrotate on
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[capjamesg] 👀
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aaronpk the script stores a pointer to the last message sent to the channel on disk, so it couldn't write that, so kept sending the same batch to the channel
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-525) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[herebox] test post please ignore - sent from slack
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[artlung] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2026/09/homebrew-website-club-us-pacific-DGihvXRMi3pD
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iwc-archive-bot Created https://indieweb.org/events/2026-09-02-hwc-pacific. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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jamesg.blog created /events/2026-09-02-hwc-pacific (+5713) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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artlung.com created /Template:zacharykai (+15) "zacharyception" (view diff)
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anpan.moe created /User:Anpan.moe (+55) "Personal blog, Media reviews, Diary." (view diff)
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anpan.moe edited /chat-names (+127) "/* D-I */" (view diff)
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herenti not sure if i was supposed to do my chat name alphabetized in the list of other chat names on he wiki... anyway its cute
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herenti https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866577502586273792/1545111748095512627/Screenshot_20260903_094110.png?ex=6a9af4f3&is=6a99a373&hm=43b27549e4a5e14e27f29ba9aee3955b09c9d13ef328a1675ba672e695e2fd45&
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herenti isnt there a risk of someone deleting others names in the wiki entry? i was worried about accidentally messing with someone else's lol
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[capjamesg] herenti++ for getting your account set up!
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Loqi herenti has 1 karma over the last year
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[capjamesg] herenti There is a risk but we can always roll back edits if we have to.
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herenti fyi there seems to be a server error on the indieweb search if nobody knew yet
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[capjamesg] I keep meaning to fix that.
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[capjamesg] I’ll see if I can do it now.
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[capjamesg] Fixed!
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-popups (+10) "update from https://events.indieweb.org/tag/popup" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] Loqi shows character counts on edits which helps identify deletions
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[aciccarello] I think the chat names _should_ be alphabetized but it's not super important. capjamesg is even in the wrong group 🤪
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www.ciccarello.me edited /js;dr (-124) "/* See Also */ rm duplicate link minor cleanup" (view diff)
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gRegor Yeah the chat names page asks to keep them alphabetized. Largely, overwrites haven't been an issue with the wiki thankfully :)
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gRegor That's funny, James isn't in either the C or the J section :)
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[capjamesg] Where am I?
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[capjamesg] 😄
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[capjamesg] Ah I’m at the beginning of `j`
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[capjamesg] But apparently `j` is split across two sections.
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gRegor you're in D-I haha
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doesnm DJ?
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[capjamesg] I’m the first J in the I section 😂
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gRegor Looks like it's been years since I set up the sections and never finalized alphabetizing :D https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=chat-names&diff=prev&oldid=81779
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gregorlove.com edited /chat-names (-16) "/* A-C */ rm A-C heading inception" (view diff)
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doesnm i'm d
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[tantek] sup d
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[capjamesg] [tantek] don’t you mean wassup d?
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[tantek] lol yes!
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gregorlove.com edited /chat-names (-2) "/* Nicknames */ sort the As, mv Skaterfish" (view diff)
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doesnm [capjamesg]: is it a pun?
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[capjamesg] tantek started a blogging challenge called WASSUP this month: https://tantek.com/2026/244/t1/september-blogging-challenge-wassup
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[capjamesg] What is WASSUP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "WASSUP" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "WASSUP is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor Not to be confused with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wassup_(group)
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thamara.co.uk edited /Blaugust (+38) "add myself as a participant" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk, looks like we may need to put similar bot restrictions on the microformats wiki / site: https://microformats.org/wiki/h-card
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-popups (-10) "update from https://events.indieweb.org/tag/popup" (view diff)
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aaronpk what am i looking for on that page?
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gRegor It wasn't loading, briefly
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gRegor But yeah, bot restrictions on the history pages would be good
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aaronpk ah
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artlung.com uploaded /File:2026-09-03-FrESH-Group-Photo.jpg "Group Photo https://indieweb.org/File:2026-09-03-FrESH-Group-Photo.jpg"
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[artlung] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2026/09/front-end-study-hall-057-0SMwgItLWoSd#photos
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jamesg.blog created /events/2026-09-03-front-end-study-hall (+11479) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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artlung.com created /Template:meyerweb (+568) "Adding a template for Eric Meyer" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /events/2026-09-03-front-end-study-hall (-72) "cleanup" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /September (+397) "challenges summary, add subsection Mastodon challenges section with a couple of examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /100_days (+135) "/* 30 Days */ grow the list and reformat into a list instead headings" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /Front_End_Study_Hall (+139) "/* 2026 */" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /100_days (+101) "/* 10 Days of Reading Chapters */ +IA link" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Are.na (+100) "+IndieWeb Examples section" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Are.na (+156) "+Features section with note about free limits, link to pricing" (view diff)
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www.robinweb3.com edited /Content_extraction (+347) "mark dead Mercury Web Parser link (API shut 2019, open-source successor), add hosted alternative (disclosure: maintainer)" (view diff)
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www.robinweb3.com edited /2013/HTML_is_your_Data (+123) "annotate dead Readability developer link (Parser API shut down Dec 2016; domain now unrelated)" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] The second edit by robinweb3 looks okay but the first is self promotion.
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[tantek] hmm
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[aciccarello] My first impression is that it seems okay to me
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[aciccarello] On the other hand it is a paid service so there's a more direct financial incentive
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[aciccarello] Oh, 5 free uses a day are allowed
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www.ciccarello.me edited /week_note (+152) "update/add why/why not" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /week_note (+57) "/* See Also */ add weeknotes.me" (view diff)
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[tantek] I appreciate the inline explicit disclaimer
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gRegor yeah, seems OK to me with that in mind
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gregorlove.com edited /Content_extraction (+89) "/* tools */ mv Mercury Web Parser to past, IA link, note postlight(.)com is now a zombie site" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /search (+274) "/* Design */ Search URL design, add a couple of examples" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is Mapquest
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Mapquest" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Mapquest is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] we talk about how taking control of your reading experience is part of being "indieweb", how about taking control of your search experience? E.g. switching from Google Maps to Mapquest? https://tantek.com/2026/246/t1/add-mapquest-search-shortcut-firefox
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Loqi [preview] [Tantek Çelik] How to add MapQuest with a search shortcut to your Firefox: 1. open Firefox Preferences ("Firefox" menu, "Preferences" item) 2. select "🔍 Search" from the left column 3. click the [ + Add search engine ] button 4. enter "Mapquest" into the Search...
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