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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Substack (+448) "added news article about site moderation as relates to the doxxing and harassment of Jane Doe" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Twitter (+448) "added news article about site moderation as relates to the doxxing and harassment of Jane Doe" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /AI_and_the_IndieWeb (+11) "added wiki link to spam" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /large_language_model (+1118) "added articles about iLands spam" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Wonders_of_Web_Weaving (+187) "added blogpost Wonderful Wonders of Web Weaving" (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /Wonders_of_Web_Weaving (+308) "added episodes" (view diff)
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grindieweb.org edited /events/2026-09-30-grindieweb (+546) (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /nostalgia (+323) "added The Internet You Miss Never Existed" (view diff)
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[tantek] that sounds like clickbait lol
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[tantek] good post of an alternative perspective, yet the author makes the same mistake they accuse others of making, which is generalizing from personal experience
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[tantek] I would say the opposite is true: The Internets Everyone Misses Did Exist
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aaronpk Not as catchy
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /32-Bit_Cafe (+76) "added Back to School Event" (view diff)
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bashgeek.net edited /chat-names (+48) (view diff)
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osteophage.neocities.org edited /nostalgia (+156) "moved Web Design Exhibitions, GifCities, ISP Netscape, and Melonking out of See Also; added archive link for ISP Netscape" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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[tantek] aaronpk, capjamesg, sknebel, you might find this of interest: https://www.w3.org/blog/2026/w3c-irc-bots-now-open-source/
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[capjamesg] Oooh!
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[tantek] What are bots
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Loqi 🤖 robots are automated scripts that crawl, search, or perform requests for information https://indieweb.org/bots
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[tantek] what are chat bots
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "chat bots" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "chat bots is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Huh
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[tantek] chat bots is /robots#Chat_bots
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /chat_bots (+59) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] There we go
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[tantek] bots << chat bots see also [[W3C]] IRC bots open source: https://www.w3.org/blog/2026/w3c-irc-bots-now-open-source/
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Loqi ok, I added "chat bots see also [[W3C]] IRC bots open source: https://www.w3.org/blog/2026/w3c-irc-bots-now-open-source/ " to the "See Also" section of /robots https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114015&oldid=113812
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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[tantek] nostalgia << to-do: focus this page on indieweb community and personal site aspects, and de-emphasize random articles & blog posts found in the wild
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: focus this page on indieweb community and personal site aspects, and de-emphasize random articles & blog posts found in the wild" to the "See Also" section of /nostalgia https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114016&oldid=114011
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+196) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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tantek.com edited /wikifying (+205) "/* Incremental Wikifying */ simplify guidance to encourage more contribution, focus on indieweb relevant and community over random additions" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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gregorlove.com created /Bookwyrm (+22) "r" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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gregorlove.com edited /chat_bots (-29) "fix redirect" (view diff)
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gRegor what is chatbot
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Loqi A chatbot is a piece of software that interacts with a user via a chat/DM protocol rather than having its own app or protocol https://indieweb.org/chatbot
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[tantek] gRegor++ thanks for catching that
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Loqi gRegor has 43 karma in this channel over the last year (119 in all channels)
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[tantek] oh we have a separate page!
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gregorlove.com edited /robots (+18) "/* Chat bots */ +main:chatbot" (view diff)
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[tantek] nice
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gregorlove.com edited /chat_bots (-9) "fix redirect again :)" (view diff)
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gRegor think that captures the variations
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tantek.com edited /robots (-110) "move w3c chatbots post to [[chatbot]] page" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /chatbot (+119) "move w3c chat bots here" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /chatbot (+1) "move indieweb uses to the top, more relevant to here than generic advantags / disadvantags" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /chatbot (+75) "split discuss bots vs actual personal indieweb examples vs a posting client" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /chatbot (+21) "move Possible IndieWeb uses into a subsection under Brainstorming, move other communities up near indieweb uses" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+769) "remove punc from heading for better frag link, content warning on clickbait, add inline critique of clickbaity post" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is ai;dr
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Loqi ai;dr is an abbreviation for Artificial Intelligence; Didn't Read, referring to text content that is presumed or stated to be generated by an AI (usually an LLM like ChatGPT) that one chooses to ignore, and is worth considering before using generated AI in blog posts or other places on your personal site https://indieweb.org/ai;dr
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[tantek] ^ pretty sure that page is the earliest definition of ai;dr on the internet
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[tantek] from March of 2023
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[tantek] earliest on Twitter/X is from June of 2023: https://fxtwitter.com/LesGuessing/status/1673144165725528066
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[tantek] now looking up hashtags to double check
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[capjamesg] https://jamesg.blog/ai;dr has my write-up so far that draws the same conclusion. Has anyone else seen any earlier usages?
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[tantek] lol the hashtag was used for Artificial Intelligence Disaster Response
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[capjamesg] [tantek] might be worth adding the indieweb permalink to https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ai;dr as a reference.
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[tantek] oh didn't think to check wiktionary
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[tantek] yeah that needs updating
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[capjamesg] Wikitionary’s earliest is Feb 2026.
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[tantek] sigh the hashtag is also used for the recursive "AIDR International Dispute Resolution"
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+33) "move IndieWeb Examples above generic discussion per [[wikifying#Incremental_Wikifying]], use static text in headings, third person prose" (view diff)
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[tantek] sigh, nostalgia is not the same as retro
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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gRegor what is retro?
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Loqi The 1990s was a decade that saw the invention and growth of the web, dominated by independent websites, as well as nascent silos like Geocities, with a particular brightly colored and often translucent design aesthetic that would come to define the era along with under construction graphics, dancing animals, site counters, ornate backgrounds, and guest books https://indieweb.org/retro
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tantek.com edited /1990s (+22) "simplify dfn, and note retro/retroweb connection" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /1990s (+119) "move a misplaced nostalgia example here" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+4) "note nostalgia not the same as retro, move supposed retro example to 1990s Aesthetic subsection" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (-8) "move indieweb brainstorming above a couple of random articles" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /1990s (+451) "move misplaced "retro examples" in nostalgia page to here as archived examples" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (-477) "move retro websites section and contents to 1990s where it belongs" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (-138) "completed to-do" (view diff)
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[tantek] alright that's enough clean-up on that page for now
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[tantek] slash repair
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gRegor tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (144 in all channels)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+21) "/* Düsseldorf */ move jeremycherfas to interested for 2027, better explain prior list was for those interested in 2026" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] tantek++
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Loqi tantek has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (145 in all channels)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+107) "repair featured image/link using internet archive" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ one more 🙂
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+120) "move rstevens post to articles and posts section, link to internet archive" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /nostalgia (+13) "sort articles, earliest first" (view diff)
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[tantek] that thing when you go to close a tab, and see a few more things
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[tantek] Twitter << POSSE precaution: apparently POSSEing to Twitter/X may cause a spike in traffic (including [[LLM traffic]]) to your website, assuming you include an [[original post permalink]] per POSSE conventions: https://fxtwitter.com/levelsio/status/2108196980983795995 <blockquote>I tweeted a test URL as a reply somewhere deeply hidden in a thread (so not even a main post)<br/><br/>And within 8 seconds there's thousands of crawlers
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[tantek] opening the page!</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "POSSE precaution: apparently POSSEing to Twitter/X may cause a spike in traffic (including [[LLM traffic]]) to your website, assuming you include an [[original post permalink]] per POSSE conventions: https://fxtwitter.com/levelsio/status/2108196980983795995 <blockquote>I tweeted a test URL as a reply somewhere deeply hidden in a thread (so not even a main post)<br/><br/>And within 8 seconds there's thousands of crawlers" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114041&oldid=114001
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tantek.com edited /wrong_on_the_internet (+762) "add 386ing section, dfn, origin of term" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /386ing (+42) "prompted by gRegor, r to new section" (view diff)
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gRegor haha
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[tantek] the bigger lol was finding the 2015-era coining of the term
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gRegor had no that page existed
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[tantek] what is 386
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "386" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "386 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] 386 is [[wrong on the internet]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /386 (+34) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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gRegor great comic in the see also
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[tantek] what is duty calls
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "duty calls" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "duty calls is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] duty calls is [[wrong on the internet]]
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loqi.me created /duty_calls (+34) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] there we go, more discoverable
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[tantek] what is xkcd386
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xkcd386" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "xkcd386 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] xkcd386 is [[wrong on the internet]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /xkcd386 (+34) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is xkcd 386
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "xkcd 386" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "xkcd 386 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] xkcd 386 is [[wrong on the internet]]
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loqi.me created /xkcd_386 (+34) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] now we're talking
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[tantek] gRegor yeah that comic is quite good too
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tantek.com edited /wrong_on_the_internet (+16) "cat fun" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] Potential companion to ai;dr: ai;dc (AI, don’t care).
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[capjamesg] Which implies a stronger degree of disconnection with a work made by AI.
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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[capjamesg] (But I don’t really like “don’t care”; we need more care in the world.)
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[tantek] agreed [capjamesg]
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[capjamesg] Also on AI;DR: Google doesn’t report any mention on HN prior to December 31st, 2023: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com+%22ai%3Bdr%22&sca_esv=53a40581b9e072dc&udm=14&sxsrf=APpeQnubiQmA4jGDpMRjUI-3OK9z6S-LXg%3A1791581452549&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A%2Ccd_max%3A2023&tbm=
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[tantek] wouldn't trust Google Search for any kind of chronological info
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[capjamesg] HN’s search reports that the first post about it was https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35638229 😄
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tantek.com edited /wrong_on_the_internet (+256) "Brainstorming, add question about self being the someone" (view diff)
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Loqi [preview] [zerojames] AI;DR: Artificial Intelligence, Didn't Read
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[tantek] aight that should Orkut off the newsletter. Sorry Orkut
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[tantek] should bump*
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2026-10-09.html
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[tantek] success!
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[tantek] also appreciate that "wrong on the internet" immediately follows well-known--
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Loqi well-known has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-5 in all channels)
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artlung.com edited /discovery (+29) "/* See Also */ adding https://straw.page/explore" (view diff)
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