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Loqi [[IndieWeb]] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IndieWeb&diff=1382547019&oldid=prev Rbfoxjr2: Fixed incorrect references formatting – You can help!
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[capjamesg] directory << [https://petrapixel.neocities.org/indiewebdb/ Indie Web Database]
# Loqi ok, I added "[https://petrapixel.neocities.org/indiewebdb/ Indie Web Database]" to the "See Also" section of /directory https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=114381&oldid=114111
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GWG Wondering what people think of the idea of including tools used in the UX and design principle (#7). I think we have focused too much on what we used to build things over what we built and want to clarify what I see as the intent of the principle. I like a good plumbing conversation as much as anyone.. but it is pivoting us away from the experience
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# [capjamesg] GWG I too much prefer UX/design discussions but I don’t think we should say that design is more important than tools used. There are reasonable ethical, social, and environmental objections to AI tools right now, for example, that I think we would be ascribing a lower importance if we said “UX and design is more important than protocols, formats, data models, schema, tools used, etc.”
# [capjamesg] I understand we definitely don’t want discussions to be dominated by developer chat, but I don’t think this policy will help with that. Rather, I think it would make people feel less comfortable when they feel it is appropriate to voice a concern about a tool that may be used in the community.
# [capjamesg] https://brennan.day/normalized-fascism-in-open-source-12-million-given-to-dhh/ is a prime example of a personal website being used not only to challenge the use of a tool, but to garner attention doing so. His post also notes the creator of Pagecord, which implements IndieWeb standards (https://indieweb.org/Pagecord), is among the patrons.
# [capjamesg] We do say “AKA UX before plumbing.” at the end of the principle which I like.
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# [capjamesg] Sorry for reference everyone we are talking about #7 on https://indieweb.org/principles 🙌
# [capjamesg] Could you share an example of the kind of discussion you want to discourage and encourage?
# [capjamesg] I think that might help us figure out exactly what change is going to help lead to the envisioned outcome.
# [social] Agreeing with [tantek]
# [social] It is tough as IndieWeb is quite diverse with interests and capabilities. Having balance is good, but also having pockets where people who want to go deeper is good as well.
# [capjamesg] That’s a good point. I think for HWC, if a discussion comes up enough, we might want to intervene and say “hey, we notice this has been coming up a lot lately, maybe you’d like to run a pop up on it?”
# [capjamesg] Our digital gardens pop up for example was successful IIRC.
# [capjamesg] GWG++ I like that idea.
# [capjamesg] I don’t think updating our principles is the way to do it. I think we should issue that guidance to HWC facilitators for them to adopt as they feel appropriate.
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[tantek] [capjamesg] GWG for your review: https://indieweb.org/AI_policy#tantek
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[artlung] An HWC ought to be relevant and substantive to the folks participating in it. Specific topic rules are unlikely to fit every meeting. But I am in favor of moderators managing conversation flow to try to hit that goal. It's what I do, and doing so without hurting feelings, ideally, but not always.
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