#microformats 2011-08-11

2011-08-11 UTC
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/t1c1] @sparker04 Limited use of #Schema bc 1) lack of guidance from search engines 2) continued RDFa/Microformat debate 3) unclear #w3c recipes
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tantek edited /rel-home (+114) "/* use with rel-alternate */ added subheads for semi-perma-linking and stuff" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rel-home (+65) "/* FAQ home alternate */ and @apparentlymart asked the same question" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/STANZ_G] Naija naira codes 10naira-red, 20naira-blue, 50naira-sky, 100naira-Hcard...
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tantek hey Loqi that doesn't really have anything to do with hCard
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Loqi dude
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tantek seriously
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tantek edited /rel-home (+206) "/* discuss home alternate */ use IRC for discussion, feel free to record your opinion here" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rel-home (+123) "/* discuss home alternate */ fix typo, plus quote dglazkov" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rel-home (+80) "/* FAQ home alternate */ code semantic, emphasize normative language of the spec" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/t] @apparentlymart rel values can combine, eg "alternate stylesheet". See FAQ http://ufs.cc/w/rel-home#FAQ_home_alternate (ttk.me/t4DG6)
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tantek ok, I'm impressed Loqi - nowhere in that tweet does it mention microformats - perhaps Twitter is searching the segments of URLs *after* they've followed all the redirects?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/TitoAyiti] @apparentlymart rel values can combine, eg "alternate stylesheet". See FAQ http://ufs.cc/w/rel-home#FAQ_ho... http://bit.ly/rtLMxe #Tito
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/_Flint] Bitcoin Microformats for Chrome - http://t.co/zUNOqEs #bitcoin #chrome
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/aarondelani] Microformats, HTML5... so basically, I'm brushing up.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/today0] Microformats, HTML5... so basically, I'm brushing up.
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tantek Dear Loqi, could you keep track of a list of Twitter spammers? e.g. TitoAyiti. cc:aaronpk
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Loqi grins profusely
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tantek created /rel-alternate (+3228) "drafted to explain and provide examples of how rel-alternate is quite the special rel value, not that independent, and combines with other rel values and attributes to do special things" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rel-home (+96) "/* see also */ rel-alternate special combinations" (view diff)
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tantek edited /rel-alternate (-13) "simplify heading" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/neogeografen] Ikke sÃ¥ tit jeg skriver om "E45" men crowdsoucing eksempel med DK første midlertidige motorvej skal lige med http://t.co/WEU6U4G #osm
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/webbstrategi] @nikkelin @davidnilsson @bolstad Tack, ngn av er som vet hur Google hämtar infon? API, markup (ex. microformat) i html eller annat sätt?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/SitePolice] Использование микроформата hCard для географической привязки сайта http://t.co/O34ShuO
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/keshabraj] Microformats http://bit.ly/bx0aGL
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/herbertwest1] Savez vous s'il existe des microformats spécifiques aux vidéos? #seo cc @webrankinfo
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/valerierose] @foodtechconnect Recipe microformats are bass ackwards. Computers work for us. Not the other way around. That's why bloggers hate them.
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singpoly1a tantek: yes, twitter searches the expanded form of short urls
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ins inf edited /hcard-examples-in-wild (+140) "/* new and uncategorized examples */" (view diff)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/juliendorra] @Hadrien right, MetaFragments is on the level of microformats v1 (microformats v2 being more ambitious). Weaving together existing specs.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/thomasvandam] Check out the Summer Smackdown: RDFa vs. Microformats vs. schema.org Microdata - today 8/11 @ 6 PM at Ceilis Irish Pub (670 Smithe St)
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TabAtkins Um, what?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/richardbaxter] Nice one Google - Microformats working for retail sites (non-3rd party partner providers!)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jaffamonkey] @usabilitycounts Linkedin resume is good format & microformat-friendly, and in PDF format also :) Agencies still obsessed with Word CVs!
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jpw23nh] @micmierzwa @Drisgill What are your thoughts on coding HTML on pub sites to use Microformats? Making them machine readable?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/TerpSkins70] Just added a new discussion on 919 Business Networking - Local Business Owners & Professionals http://ning.it/oHOoG1
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KevinMarks http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/custsupport/consumer-operations-consumer-experience-specialist-google-search-mountain-view/ Google hiring a Rich Snippets specialist to work with publishers. Do we know anyone suitable?
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kevin marks edited /rel-alternate (+6) "/* special combinations */ use 'alternative' in prose as 'alternate' means something else" (view diff)
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tantek KevinMarks - W3C uses the term "alternate style sheets" thus it makes sense to keep it consistent
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tantek and I think you have it backwards
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tantek "alternate" is the correct use - meaning other than the default
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tantek whereas "alternative" is more associated with cultural references, e.g. "alternative lifestyle" etc.
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tantek edited /rel-alternate (-6) "Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Kevin Marks|Kevin Marks]] ([[User talk:Kevin Marks|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]" (view diff)
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tantek https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alternative provides more examples where "alternative" is used to designate something as its own thing, not just as an alternate (ahem) to something else.
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tantek whereas "alternate" is always used as a substitute for something, always secondary, never primary
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/sumathemes] HTML5 and microformats for pragmatists http://t.co/DFQLp6n
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tantek I think the challenge may be that the difference I'm referencing is a fairly modern (since mid/late 20th century) distinction, and thus contrasts with earlier (e.g. Webster 1913 and earlier) dictionary definitions.
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tantek thus I should rephrase when I said "'alternate' is the correct use" - more accurately, "alternate" is the *modern* use.
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tantek and "alternative" implies some sort of specific primary cultural differentiation (e.g. "alternative lifestyle", "alternative rock", "alternative medicine" etc. as listed on https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Alternative )
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/webmagenta] Helpful comparison of RDFa, microdata, and microformats http://t.co/3PoEdzH by @ manusporny
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/cgbourke] @OrkoWilson @GlenJacobs5 @nathanfabio I'm not hatin' on the big red monster,I'm hatom on this fake and he's not the big red monster
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