#microformats 2011-08-12

2011-08-12 UTC
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/rahelab] At the RDFa vs microformats vs schema.org meet-up. Where's my geek badge? #contentstrategy #seo #semanticweb
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/joseuonline] streaming live - Vancouver SEM Metup (#SEO) rdf, microformats, schema.org - can you see this? http://ow.ly/61i7f
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/360Raleigh] I'm giving away TEN 360Raleigh hCards worth hundreds in discounts if we reach 500 Facebook Page Likes before we... http://fb.me/FhlZQCwF
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KevinMarks is Loqi a bot? Tantek was talking to Loqi earlier
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Loqi yeah!
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KevinMarks where's your source, Loqi?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/cellartracker] @jeremyross Yes I tagged with microformats back in March and applied to have Google recognize them. They seem to have just turned them on.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/leadingsource] I became a representative for www.hCard.com today! Our Mission is best explained at www.fundingtheheartofamerica.com. Way cool!
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/neogeografen] Lykkes at flette AC/DC-Hemingway ind i et indlæg om Vesterbros kirker http://t.co/LewulbL
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ChiefRA guys, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgFb6Y-UJUI&feature=feedu
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/bunrod] @netcom_ks Godt Ã¥ høre :) Men sim-nr blir vanskelig, modifiserte sim-kortet til microformat da jeg veksler mellom iPad og Minirutern...
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tantek KevinMarks - you'll have to ask Loqi's author, aaronpk
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tantek ChiefRA - good find, watching now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgFb6Y-UJUI on rel=author
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ChiefRA tantek thanks, the next one on the same line is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG3Oh7Ues8A&feature=feedu
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tantek hmm - if rel=author is used to show photos of authors next to things, then how does one avoid author-spoofing, e.g. someone posts "nastydocument.html" which links with rel=author to "reputableperson.example.com"?
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ChiefRA is by linking back from the authors authentic profile,
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ChiefRA back to the rspective site.
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tantek so you have to link to everything you author from your personal site home page?
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ChiefRA they give this example only with Google Profile +
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ChiefRA yeah, at least this is what I've understood: you post on site1.com a post written by autor X
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ChiefRA then, from this post on site1.com , put a link with rel=author to either a bio page of the Author X on the same website1.com, or to his BIO website.
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tantek I'm hoping they support this with linking via rel=author to any personal site, not just a Google profile
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ChiefRA and to close the loop and give credentials that, this post is indeed written by the original author, you have to link back from the BIO website of that Author X, back to that specific post.
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tantek and then read the hCard at that personal site for the image/photo to use
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ChiefRA its on early starting, they said. maybe they'll modify it in time, but as they try to implement all of these with the help of Schema, instead of actual HTML4 like microformats...
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ChiefRA mhm...
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ChiefRA we'll see.
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tantek ah and they're using rel=me also, very good
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ChiefRA My supposition is ( hope is not the mother of all fuckups in this case) that this is widely implemented allready, not just on Google profile.
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ChiefRA as this is done automatically.
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tantek well Google profile do support hCard themselves :)
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ChiefRA :)) they are humans after all :P
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ChiefRA they started for a few days, to make these types of more advanced videos...
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ChiefRA and a lot more to come as I see it.
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tantek ChiefRA - want to add a link to that video to http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-author ?
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ChiefRA sure, should I add both of them ?
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tantek (since you found it :) )
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tantek haven't seen the 2nd one yet
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ChiefRA ok.
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tantek oh dear - the 2nd one sounds like it is going in a hacky direction
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tantek and they're billing it as "easier" - ugh
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ChiefRA :)) I'll add only the first one.
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tantek oh boy, they're declaring the query parameter 'rel' as a substitute for the attribute
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tantek interesting that they're suggesting the "+Name" text convention
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tantek ok good, they're saying the rel attribute is still desired and "more bulletproof"
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tantek ChiefRA - might as well add a subsection, Google query parameter rel extension that documents their convention
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tantek and links to the 2nd video
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ChiefRA ok, I'll manage it and then, I'll tell you to have a look at it.
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tantek we may not necessarily like it, but we should at least capture it somehow even if it is non-standard, so that others know to look out for it
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tantek I have to admit, it is a bit of a clever hack, I just hope no-one has used "rel" query parameters in the URLs already
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tantek I suppose following that same line of reason, every <a href> attribute (other than href obviously) could be added as a query parameter. e.g. hreflang=, media=, type= etc.
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ChiefRA what do you mena by clever hack?
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ChiefRA mean*
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tantek well, to get around the problem of CMSs disallowing authors from setting hyperlink attributes other than the href
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tantek heck you could even set class=
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tantek hmmm...
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tantek I'll have to think more about this
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ChiefRA sorry, been on the phone
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ChiefRA I was reading the explicit info posted on google website about authro
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ChiefRA author*
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tantek no problem - for now go ahead and add the links to the videos with specific sections and we can iterate from there
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ChiefRA ok
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chiefra created /rel-author (+179) "create and improve rel=author" (view diff)
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ChiefRA tantek like this ?
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tantek sure - it's a start :)
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tantek not
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tantek sure
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tantek if it's good to refer to "tagging" persons - there's already been too much confusion about misusing rel for tags.
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tantek but don't worry about that part - I can spec-ese it up. go ahead and add the sections for the videos and those links
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chiefra edited /rel-author (+729) "adding Google videos and examples of implementation" (view diff)
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chiefra edited /rel-author (-11) "/* Implementations */ minor arrangements" (view diff)
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chiefra edited /rel-author (+24) "/* Implementations */" (view diff)
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ChiefRA ok tantek have a look.
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tantek ChiefRA - thanks much - great that this is captured.
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/RexSFO] Would like to chat w/ fellow #mozcon r's re: use of #Schema #RDFa & #Microformats: hands on implementation & thoughts? #ThankYou! anyone?
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tantek edited /rel-author (+860) "add entry-title, tweak summary to refer to relation, and document implementation vs extensions, add see also" (view diff)
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ChiefRA oh boy, tantek you're page looks more professional :))
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ChiefRA thanks for the help :)
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tantek it's our collective page :)
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tantek I just made some tweaks to your work ;)
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ChiefRA you're version of it* looks great
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tantek Thanks ChiefRA, and thanks again for pointing out the videos.
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ChiefRA you're welcome, it's my pleasure to help us getting better and better.
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ChiefRA to evolve I may say :)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/RexSFO] On @Quora: Schema, RDFa or microformats? Which is best for long-term success in a com… Answer: http://qr.ae/7rcGk
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ChiefRA tantek I should add the author parameter to this page as well: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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tantek no because it's not an existing rel value and for now appears to only apply to rel=author
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ChiefRA so where this rel value should be posted first to consider that it is exists ?
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tantek could you restate your question?
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ChiefRA to consider that a certain value exists, should be mentioned first in an official document on W3C or smth?
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tantek the rel attribute value of "author" is already listed in existing-rel-values
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/bencolclough] faffing around with bleeding facebook like buttons not working and google not picking up microformats - aaah wish never had begun
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/g_mawr] @briansuda I'm trying to download your PHP code for x2v from http://t.co/HHkOtl3 I can't find it. Could I trouble you for the link?
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/travelfish] @bencolclough have been waiting for microformat pickup for about three years. Get a cuppa :)
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/briansuda] @g_mawr try an older check-in http://bit.ly/q2jPDu
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singpolyma tantek: the query param hack is understandable, but it's not a good idea. you end up sending data to remote sites which may change things over there (there will definitely be someone who has ?rel= or ?type= mean something to their app)
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singpolyma oh, he's out. maybe I'll repeat later. if I remember :P
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ChiefRA [17:29] <singpolyma> tantek: the query param hack is understandable, but it's not a good idea. you end up sending data to remote sites which may change things over there (there will definitely be someone who has ?rel= or ?type= mean something to their app)
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ChiefRA [17:30] <singpolyma> oh, he's out. maybe I'll repeat later. if I remember :P
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ChiefRA I've repasted while you were gone tantek.
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ChiefRA guys, have a nice weekend, see you monday. bye
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/mamund] "Shut down the RDFa/Microdata Task Force initiative" - Manu Sporny http://j.mp/pNgDBC #RDF #LOD #RDFa #Microdata #microformats #W3C
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jalbertbowdenii] @css3gallery @triptych im entirely biased here, but microformats + POSH already do that. idk about revolutionize...
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tantek ChiefRA singpolyma - yeah - there's also the problem of false rel claims in comment boxes.
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tantek (with the ?rel= param method)
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tantek and hey singpolyma - you know the drill, add an "issues" subsection under that section regarding the rel query param extension of microformats.org/wiki/rel-author and note your issue so we have it captured and can follow-up!
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singpolyma tantek: oh, there's a wiki page? good. I was mostly just skimming backscroll
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singpolyma goes
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Loqi [http://twitter.com/jeffsayre] Re-reading this great article, An Uber-comparison of #RDFa, #Microdata and #Microformats http://t.co/ytzO0uo /by @manusporny #LinkedData
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singpolyma edited /rel-author (+266) "/* query parameter alternative */ query params are not for the author's use" (view diff)
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