#microformats 2013-03-06
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JonathanNeal hi
# JonathanNeal Are microformats only supposed to be used for contacts?
# JonathanNeal could there be a microformat for navigation, say?
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tantek JonathanNeal see the intro here: http://microformats.org/wiki/
# tantek JonathanNeal - for semantic class names that you asked about in that other place, see http://microformats.org/wiki/semantic-class-names
# JonathanNeal there are two major forms of navigation that I can think of
# JonathanNeal a representation of one's position or route between pages
# JonathanNeal or a structurally meaningful representation of pages and sections of a website.
# JonathanNeal site navigation
# JonathanNeal right, like what you might use with a <nav> to specify which link is current, or which links contain the current page, or what the state of certain links might be.
# JonathanNeal tommorris: it sounded like a breadcrumb to me.
# JonathanNeal rel="up" rel="up up" too, I suppose?
# JonathanNeal or would it be rel="down" when it's on the li containing the ul containing the li containing the current anchor.
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# tantek tommorris - perhaps you can add to http://microformats.org/wiki/directions-formats
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# tantek for the page/site navigation stuff, aka breadcrumbs, there's some work on that here: http://microformats.org/wiki/breadcrumbs
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# JonathanNeal ahhh circular internet
# JonathanNeal when you've worked hard to understand something you are building for the web, but you never fully get it, so you research it, and finally, months later, you come across a website that claims to have an example of how to do it right … and it's the one you originally wrote.
# JonathanNeal I'm being told that rel="self" is a bad attribute.
# JonathanNeal "Bad value self for attribute rel on element a: Not an absolute IRI. The string self is not a registered keyword or absolute URL."
# JonathanNeal Putting something together for navigation @ https://gist.github.com/jonathantneal/5096851
# JonathanNeal site navigation, rather.
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# JonathanNeal tantek: yes let me see if i can find it
# JonathanNeal yeap, i definitely worked on that with you, just four months ago. there's a reference to microformats
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# tantek edited /breadcrumbs-formats (+0) "/* Google rich snippet breadcrumbs */ fix link" (view diff)
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# tantek edited /breadcrumbs-formats (+126) "add summary of properties from Bing, Google rich snippet, and schemaorg WebPage breadcrumb markup - fairly strongly overlapping" (view diff)
# JonathanNeal working on breadcrumbs, tantek?
# JonathanNeal Maybe you can help me settle something then.
# JonathanNeal What does "index" mean?
# JonathanNeal To narrow the scope, I'm referring to link/relationship types.
# JonathanNeal If you'd like, I can provide two popular but conflicting definitions.
# JonathanNeal "list of terms", "top level resource"
# JonathanNeal and "glossary" refers to a document providing a glossary of terms that pertain to the current document.
# JonathanNeal I don't see "home" in the spec, is it in HTML5?
# JonathanNeal To further confuse me, the MDN wiki takes side with "top level resource" https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Link_types
# JonathanNeal and makes no mention of "home".
# JonathanNeal It seems microformats is becoming a canonical resource http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/links.html#other-link-types
# JonathanNeal So, are glossary and index synonymous then.
# JonathanNeal Maybe history answers this. Traditionally, a glossary is an alphabetical list of terms and their definitions, while an index is a list of topics in alphabetical order with page numbers
# JonathanNeal In general, keywords should not define themselves. Could http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#HTML5_link_type_extensions be updated?
# JonathanNeal "glossary" and "index"
# JonathanNeal we have a clear definition of glossary, an alphabetical list of terms and their definitions, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloss
# JonathanNeal Index is ambiguous, since the popular "index.html" would not conform to "a list of topics with pointers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_(publishing)
# JonathanNeal But maybe someone should also have that written down, in case the question comes back up, say, by me. :P
# JonathanNeal Okay, I'll take a stab.
# JonathanNeal I wish Chrome had a MediaWiki renderer.
# JonathanNeal So I could live preview this.
# jonathantneal edited /existing-rel-values (+34) "/* HTML5 link type extensions */ index definition" (view diff)
# tantek created /breadcrumbs-brainstorming (+4063) "draft based on the two common properties of existing breadcrumb formats, and microformats2 capabilities" (view diff)
# tantek JonathanNeal - take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/h-breadcrumb and see what you think of that.
# JonathanNeal Why is it p-name and not u-name?
# JonathanNeal that's not to challenge, but simply because I think I lack some understanding of proper usage of u-.
# JonathanNeal I guess it's because the property name is available as a string.
# JonathanNeal the property value is available as a string, rather.
# JonathanNeal I really like what you've done here.
# JonathanNeal That makes sense, thanks. And, as it says, the u-url is implied
# JonathanNeal Otherwise it would be "p-name u-url"?
# JonathanNeal "home" defines itself, and I would like to clarify it without removing any intended ambiguity. Current it is "indicates that the [referenced document] is the homepage of the site in which the current page appears."
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# tantek edited /breadcrumbs-formats (+75) "no longer a stub, add links to process steps at top" (view diff)
# tantek edited /breadcrumbs-brainstorming (+224) "include self in links in process section, todo, include JSON output of examples" (view diff)
# JonathanNeal I will. I'm working on navigation presently, but first, I'm almost done clarifying some of these definitions that use their own keywords.
# JonathanNeal "home" typically means "introduction" and "top level", in the current microformats definition it says "[home] can be combined with 'alternate' to indicate for example a feed for the site of the current page". "site" emphasises its "top level"-ness.
# JonathanNeal https://www.google.com/search?q=home+page&tbs=dfn:1 emphasises its "introductory"-ness
# JonathanNeal So, would it be best to define "home" sympathetic to both, as in "Refers to the introductory, top level document for the current document." ?
# JonathanNeal This way it satisfies the popular definition of home page as well as its recommended current usage.
# JonathanNeal If it matters, there is no rel="introduction"
# JonathanNeal And there doesn't seem to have ever been something like that http://diveintohtml5.info/semantics.html#new-relations
# JonathanNeal And this coming from a book with a well fleshed out introduction.
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# JonathanNeal So then, "Refers to the top level document for the current document."
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# JonathanNeal not necessarily, in the case of search results.
# JonathanNeal conceeded, a breadcrumb usually reflects a kind of global navigation
# JonathanNeal even if you have multiple, custom navigation menus, like WordPress and Drupal both offer.
# JonathanNeal "it" doesn't take you both ways, but the document that it references should.
# JonathanNeal yeah, agreed
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# JonathanNeal I'm sad that github does not allow reference links in tables. I wanted to fork your link relations table and give it one voice.
# JonathanNeal tantek: I do want to make those edits, because they would be helpful to anyone writing html that follows those link relations. However, I wanted to give them one voice in a fork, and not live, so we could discuss the changes in easy comparison.
# JonathanNeal Why do you nest the breadcrumbs?
# JonathanNeal Oh sorry, that's Google's example.
# JonathanNeal Y GOOGLE
# JonathanNeal Does the main page for microformats http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page use a different theme than other pages in the wiki?
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