#microformats 2013-05-02

2013-05-02 UTC
tealmage, xtof, tantek, thesisb, bret and globbot joined the channel
#
christopheducamp edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Abassunta53]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
christopheducamp deleted /The_Ancient_Story_Behind_The_Shamballa_Bracelets_and_Its_Origin "content was spam"
tealmage, colares, chiui, lgedeon, xtof and iSRAELi joined the channel
#
zarantech created /SAP_HANA_Training_From_ZaranTech_LLC (+1591) "New page: '''ZaranTech LLC''' is the only training company covering SAP HANA 1.0 SP5 in detail with Building AGILE Data mart in SAP HANA with SP5 using diff BODS transformations (CASE, MERGE, CDC tr..." (view diff)
eschnou, tobyink, tealmage and tantek joined the channel
#
@mhormaechea J2:
#
tariqhopkinslsq created /Conversion_Rate_Optimization_for_Blog_owners_as_well_as_Internet_marketers (+3547) "New page: Conversion rate optimization may be the strategy for optimizing your ads, squeeze pages, widgets, blog design and the like to become more selects your ads or even more leads to your optin ..." (view diff)
#
lakenyagtlwexuyvrfogleman created /ZipMyDeals.ca_–_collecting_deals_in_Canada (+3263) "New page: [http://www.zipmydeals.ca/ ZipMyDeals.ca] is a specialized website that focuses on gathering daily deals all over Canada in one single place. Because it works just like any other web dir..." (view diff)
#
tommorris deleted /SAP_HANA_Training_From_ZaranTech_LLC "Vandalism"
#
tommorris edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Zarantech]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
tommorris deleted /Conversion_Rate_Optimization_for_Blog_owners_as_well_as_Internet_marketers "Vandalism"
#
tommorris deleted /ZipMyDeals.ca_–_collecting_deals_in_Canada "Vandalism"
#
tommorris edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:LakenyagtlwexuyvrFogleman]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
nonge_, tobyink, tealmage, bnvk and adactio joined the channel
#
@BAofNC So glad that we have embraced and realized the benefit of mobile advertising with The hCard! Check out this... http://www.youtube.com/
bnvk, tealmage, bnvk_, bnvk__, TallTed, adambezemek and zztr joined the channel
#
florentin created /User:Florentin (+427) "New page: Very happy to meet you! My title is Lowell Rothman. Credit authorising is how I generate income but quickly my wife and I'll start our very own enterprise. Hawaii is where me and my spou..." (view diff)
#
@dascritch @w3c why not using hCard ?
#
@fcassia Any23 ia an #opensource #Java library to extract RDF structured data fm RDF/XML, Turtle,Adr,Geo,hCalendar,hCard,etc http://www.ohloh.net/p/any23
tealmage, bnvk, eschnou, jfranusic and tobyink joined the channel
#
graham876 created /Use_Online_Video_Marketing_To_Help_Your_Business_Profits_Explode (+5013) "New page: There are so many aspects of starting and running a successful internet business that includes [http://www.cashfromvideo.com/affiliate-marketing-tips-that-anyone-can-follow/ video marketin..." (view diff)
#
grahamellison edited /Use_Online_Video_Marketing_To_Help_Your_Business_Profits_Explode (-424) (view diff)
#
villapbk29 created /User:villapbk29 (+2047) "continual clip" (view diff)
#
christopheducamp deleted /User:Florentin "content was spam"
#
christopheducamp edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Graham876]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
christopheducamp edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:GrahamEllison]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
christopheducamp deleted /Use_Online_Video_Marketing_To_Help_Your_Business_Profits_Explode "content was spam"
#
christopheducamp edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Villapbk29]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Unacceptable username" (view diff)
#
christopheducamp deleted /User:villapbk29 "content was spam"
jfranusic joined the channel
#
tantek edited /comment-brainstorming (+2831) "entry-title, auto-toc, modernize problem statement, participants can (and should) be determined by wiki edit history, typos, added uf Proposal2" (view diff)
bnvk joined the channel
#
tantek moved / to /Special:Log/move "[[rel-issues]] moved to [[rel-values-issues]]: move to a name specifically for issues about rel-values in general - got to make room for an actual rel=issues rel value!"
#
tantek edited /Template:rel-related-pages (+14) "rel-values-issues is what it means here" (view diff)
#
tantek edited /issues (+7) "rel-values-issues is what it means here" (view diff)
#
tantek edited /rel-discussion (+3) "fix copy/pasteo" (view diff)
#
tantek edited /rel-issues (+992) "draft" (view diff)
bnvk joined the channel
#
tantek edited /existing-rel-values (+305) "/* HTML5 link type extensions */ add rel-issues, try to fix-up lightbox a bit, note issue with lightbox not providing a proper spec" (view diff)
#
tantek edited /rel-issues (+90) "link at top to previous use of rel-issues on this wiki" (view diff)
eschnou joined the channel
#
tantek edited /rel-issues (-23) "simplify" (view diff)
tobyink, jfranusic, eschnou, encolpe and zztr joined the channel
#
hershelnhhqsutwziscovell created /Lifecell_Cream_from_South_Beach_Skincare_Dramatically_Reverses_the_Effects_of_Aging7235725 (+6617) "New page: If you are trying to find an item that's going to help to stop the aging process, keep the skin looking and feeling firm, as well as a product that's going to be successful from the first ..." (view diff)
tealmage and jfranusic joined the channel
#
tantek edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:HershelnhhqsutwziScovell]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
tantek deleted /Lifecell_Cream_from_South_Beach_Skincare_Dramatically_Reverses_the_Effects_of_Aging7235725 "content was spam"
tantek, gavinc, tealmage_ and tealmage joined the channel
#
tantek edited /comment-brainstorming (+465) "/* microformats2 p-comment h-entry */ add questions section with Use case for same page u-in-reply-to for eschnou" (view diff)
tealmage joined the channel
#
tantek edited /comment-brainstorming (+4) "=" (view diff)
tantek and Garbee joined the channel
#
Garbee Does anyone know if Google supports Microformats 2 yet? Doing a quick test of an address I don't see their structured data test tool extracting it.
tealmage joined the channel
#
tantek Garbee - not yet as far as we known. They've mentioned interest in parsing it, but we don't know of any actual implementation being deployed yet.
#
tantek They're probably waiting for a 1000s of us to deploy it first, as they did with hRecipe, hAtom, hMedia :)
#
Garbee Ah ok.
#
Garbee I'll start using that then.
#
tantek right now there's a critical mass of #indiewebcamp folks deploying microformats2 support on their own blogs
#
Garbee tantek, I saw your talk on Youtube about structured data, won me over on Microformats.
#
tantek we're using it for distributed comment federation in particular
#
tantek Garbee - awesome - the recent one from HTML5DevConf?
#
Garbee http://youtu.be/BNk-Bkc-CAo -- This one.
#
Garbee Yea, HTML5 Dev conf.
tealmage joined the channel
#
Garbee was trying to remember their actual Youtube name.
bnvk joined the channel
#
Garbee Right now I'm just shifting our address in the footer over. Will take more work shifting product markup.
#
stellaford4 created /SMH_I_just_seen_all_the_get_more_youtube_views_drama_they_act_like_little_kids (+2295) "New page: [[Image:get_more_youtube_views_5536.jpg|thumb|]] Cold Crashing Mint Chocolate Stout & Peanut Chocolate Stout I uploaded a video Patch Parables 4 - The Parable of Good or Bad Waalaikumsala..." (view diff)
#
tantek edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:StellaFord4]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
tantek deleted /SMH_I_just_seen_all_the_get_more_youtube_views_drama_they_act_like_little_kids "content was spam"
#
Garbee Oh, also has it been considered for the h-addr to have a "send-to" or "address-to" field? In case an address specified is to be shipped specifically to a person/company unit.
#
tantek Garbee - sounds like a full h-card
#
tantek once you start including name of person and/or company, you've gone from an h-adr to a full h-card
#
lynnwallacexco created /Canoe_festival_International_descent_of_the_Sella_River (+2036) "New page: Descenso del Sella International Descent Sella River<br/><br/>This sporting celebration has become held since 1930. It is full of popular music and colour, and it has turn into probably th..." (view diff)
#
tantek edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Lynnwallacexco]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites" (view diff)
#
tantek deleted /Canoe_festival_International_descent_of_the_Sella_River "content was spam"
#
Garbee Oh ok. At least it is a simple switch!
barnabywalters joined the channel
#
Garbee Also I see " profile/itemtype: http://microformats.org/profile/h-card " in the information on the different formats. If I go to that URL though it gives a 404. What is the purpose of the URL then?
#
tantek Garbee - it's for "linked data" uses - which is rarely used, but we provided it in case folks that are doing linked data want it.
#
Garbee Ok I'll encourage a few others I know who do sites to integrate microformats if possible. Hopefully getting it used more will get search engines parsing it. ;)
#
Garbee Thanks for your time and the info tantek!
#
tantek awesome. when you do - feel free to add to the respective *-examples-in-wild wiki pages
#
Garbee Yea, I need to dig around the wiki a bit, see if I can't help out in there. ;)
#
@t One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video http://www.youtube.com/ #microformats #API (ttk.me t4Pn1)
#
tantek Thanks Garbee for the reminder about the video - can't believe that was already a month ago!
#
Garbee I just saw it this morning in my feed. ;)
#
Garbee So today for me!
#
@jlsuttles RT @t: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video http://www.youtube.com/ #microformats #API (ttk.me…
#
@Putcharles RT @t: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video http://www.youtube.com/ #microformats #API (ttk.me…
#
Garbee Is there already a test parser for MicroFormats2? Something we can test markup against to make sure it is parsed correctly. Or is that a cool project to be done?
#
tantek there is!
#
tantek several actually
#
Garbee May want to link to them under: http://microformats.org/code-tools : unless I am missing something there already.
#
tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Implementations
#
tantek yes, /code-tools needs an update for sure
#
Garbee and *wow* this seems like getting too granular to me: http://gmpg.org/xfn/creator
#
tantek heh
#
Garbee Like really, do people need to know through a link if you actually met someone?
#
tantek XFN was big when blogrolls were bigt
#
tantek Garbee - rel-met was actually quite handy for creating networks of claims of physical existence
#
tantek easier to spot sites based on "real people"
#
Garbee Yea, I guess it is a more limited use-case then I tend to think in.
#
tantek it was more of a big deal when there were ghost blogs being written in the early 2000s, some of them a bit abusive (like fake cancer patients asking for donations)
#
tantek less of a big deal today
#
tantek however, rel=met is still handy in blog posts for timestamping *when* you met someone
#
tantek like go to a conference, meet a bunch of people, blog that you met them
#
Garbee sees Google using that to create a custom timeline... I like it.
#
Garbee Google Glass gets that much more powerful!
#
tantek right - it's also a way to create an #indiewebcamp timeline for your personal site, without depending on a big company to do so.
#
tantek sure
#
Garbee On the "Code & Tools" page... That could simply be a link to a page in the wiki so that as people create things they can add it themselves. Keeping it up-to-date automatically with cool stuff.
#
tantek very true
#
tantek so this is good for testing a URL to see what microformats are found: http://microformat2-node.jit.su/
#
tantek and this is good for quickly checking snippets of markup: http://waterpigs.co.uk/php-mf2/
tealmage joined the channel
#
Garbee imho, Wiki page the Code & Tools. Easier maintenance since you aren't needing to manually update it and it puts more focus on the wiki/community effort.
#
tantek you're totally right - really we should do that with all the top level static pages on the site
#
Garbee Yup, and link to them within the wiki UI itself.
#
Garbee I notice the wiki only has like 3 of the top-level links there.
#
tantek alright let's see if I can get something started
#
Garbee I can make a Code & Tools page if you want.
#
Garbee Copy in the stuff from the current page and add stuff from the other link you gave.
#
Garbee Perhaps even test them out and give a brief statement on tool usage to help people looking through out.
#
tantek created /code-tools (+91) "stub" (view diff)
#
tantek that would be great
#
tantek just created a stub - go for it!
#
tantek and we can reprioritize current vs. past tools
#
tantek update the contents a bit
#
tantek let me know when you think it's a good replacement, and I'll simply add a redirect from /code-tools to /wiki/code-tools
#
tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/code-tools
#
Garbee And we could also mark things some way ("Legacy" perhaps?) for things targeted towards MicroFormats and everything else would be MicroFormats 2 focused.
#
tantek makes sense
#
Garbee Ok, Let's see what I can come up with while I'm still at the store...
#
@jalbertbowdenii microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi HTML5: The Next Evolutionary Step For Web Data: http://www.youtube.com/ via @t
#
@adamedoe RT @t: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video http://www.youtube.com/ #microformats #API (ttk.me…
#
Garbee Do we really need to say Code & Tools though? Really all of it is just tools to help developers.
lgedeon joined the channel
#
tantek I think "code & tools" helps with search discoverability
#
tantek some folks search for one when they mean the other
#
tantek and all the tools are open source code as well - people like them as starting points
#
Garbee That makes sense.
#
@danbri RT @t: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video http://www.youtube.com/ #microformats #API (ttk.me…
tealmage joined the channel
#
garbee edited /code-tools (+688) "Initial structure in for review. Also added a few tools to start showing off." (view diff)
#
garbee edited /code-tools (-22) "Removed header within content." (view diff)
#
@webspacecraft #W3C Tantek: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video youtu... http://tantek.com/2013/122/t1/microformats2-html5-html5devconf-video-api?utm_source=webspacecraft&utm_medium=twitter #PlanetHTML5
#
Garbee Before going much further, any feedback on the structure? http://microformats.org/wiki/code-tools
#
tantek edited /code-tools (+24) "add a main validators link" (view diff)
#
tantek Garbee - structure looks great - go forth!
#
Garbee Once I add in another reminder. ;) Won't be able to test every tool while I'm here, so I'll use the top part of the page as notes for where things are coming from for now.
#
tantek more important than having "every tool" is to pick out the most useful tools and put them at the top.
#
garbee edited /code-tools (+63) "Added reminder of where to pull some other tools in from the wiki." (view diff)
#
tantek everything else can be included in a comprehensive list at the bottom for completeness
#
tantek I think your summary of the microformats2 parsers/validators tools is great the way you wrote it
#
Garbee oh, nice link to the main validators page.
#
Garbee Since that exists, for right now I *need* to do to make this page usable as a reference is import everything from the current Code & Tools page.
#
tantek right
#
Garbee hehe thanks! Not often I get praise for my writing (since I tend to suck unless I go over it a few times.)
#
@adamedoe RT @webspacecraft: #W3C Tantek: One month ago: spoke on #microformats2 &amp
#
Loqi #HTML5 @HTML5DevConf. 33 minute video youtu... http://t.co/wGM…
tealmage and lgedeon joined the channel
#
Garbee And yes, for validators and other tools I would *like* to have a line or two describing what the tool does. That way people aren't blindly following a link. Code generators should be pretty self-explanatory...
#
tantek a quick one-line description sounds sensible/helpful