#microformats 2014-03-05

2014-03-05 UTC
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@BarnabyWalters Getting started with microformats2 (/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/) (twitter.com/_/status/441214713561907200)
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@BarnabyWalters Getting Started with microformats2 http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ (twitter.com/_/status/441214864111849472)
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barnabywalters looks like my article POSSE needs a little attention :)
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barnabywalters okay the code listings in http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ should now look much better
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@muhh "Getting started with microformats2" http:///articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ (twitter.com/_/status/441293852469895169)
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tantek hmm
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tantek oh dear
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tantek spam :(
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aaronpk wow really?
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barnabywalters tantek: where?
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tantek that link
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tantek bit.ly/1l1Dz6K
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aaronpk it's redirecting to barnaby's post which then sends a relative location header
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aaronpk i guess loqi's not properly handling relative redirects
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Loqi who, me?
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aaronpk yes
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tantek in IRC I saw: http:///articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/
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barnabywalters tantek: oh I thought you meant http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=chat-brainstorming&curid=2093&diff=64231&oldid=64230
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tantek which goes to spam :(
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barnabywalters tantek: for me it goes to nothing, it’s a broken link
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aaronpk that isn't really a valid URL, not even sure where that would go
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tantek it is a valid URL
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tantek it goes to "articles" in the local domain
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barnabywalters well, not one pointing to a web server
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tantek which typically gets resolved to articles.com
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tantek yup
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aaronpk depends on your DNS/DHCP tho
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barnabywalters it was POSSEd like that briefly, but I deleted it — surprised that anyone managed to find the old version so much later
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tantek I don't have any special setup
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aaronpk ah then it's the browser doing it
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tantek no when I click from the tweet itself it works
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tantek it's Loqi's fault for badly expanding it
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tantek into IRC
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tantek aaronpk - it's valid browser behavior
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tantek based on local DNS
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barnabywalters hm yes that is very strange that it’s a correct link in the tweet
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tantek so yeah, Loqi's t.co expansion is busted
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aaronpk it's kind of a hack to tack on ".com" to a word. I personally really don't like when browsers do that.
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aaronpk I use enough weird hostnames that the browsers usually get really confused
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aaronpk like "pk.dev", chrome usually takes me to a google search for "pk.dev" which is definitely not what I wanted
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tantek edited /chat-brainstorming (+13459) "Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Chatroll|Chatroll]] ([[User talk:Chatroll|Talk]]) to last version by [[User:ChristopheDucamp|ChristopheDucamp]]" (view diff)
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aaronpk but yeah Loqi isn't handling the relative "Location:" header returned by waterpigs.co.uk
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barnabywalters admins, please delete User:Chatroll
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aaronpk weird I don't understand why it's doing that now that I look at the code
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aaronpk ahh it'sb ecause it's using the wrong version :)
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tantek barnabywalters - blocked
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tantek wrong version of ?
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aaronpk the url unshortener
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aaronpk oh nvm, the url unshortener doesn't actually support relative location headers
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aaronpk and omg relative URL expanding is hard
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aaronpk i can probably cheat for this though, and just look for a missing host+scheme and fill it in
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tantek !tell barnabywalters could you reblog your post http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ on microformats.org?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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aaronpk great idea
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aaronpk opened an issue, we'll see if he fixes it before I get a chance to https://github.com/quark-zju/unshorten/issues/4
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tantek cool
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Loqi barnabywalters: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 45 minutes ago: could you reblog your post http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/getting-started-with-microformats2/ on microformats.org?
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barnabywalters tantek: probably, what exactly do you mean? post it on the mf blog? or as a wiki page? or a link from somewhere?
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barnabywalters I’d be up for either/multiple
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tantek post it on the microformats blog
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tantek because it's an excellent self-standing blog post
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tantek and would be great as an example of a "reblog"
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barnabywalters thanks — sure, I’d be up for that. how do we do it?
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tantek also helps to establish a pattern of blogging something on your own domain, before blogging it in a collective/commons
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tantek first you sign-up for an account on microformats.org
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tantek the Wordpress install
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barnabywalters done
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barnabywalters (yay openid)
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Loqi does a happy dance!
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barnabywalters do you need to give me permission to post? I’m not seeing a “new post” button anywhere
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tantek I think I do
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tantek what username did you pick?
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barnabywalters I logged in with openID so I’m waterpigs.co.uk
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tantek oh interesting
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tantek just made you an editor
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tantek I think this means you can both post new posts and edit/fix other posts
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tantek try it out!
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barnabywalters yep, I now have many more buttons
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barnabywalters heh, this will actually be the first time I’ve ever used wordpress for anything other than testing
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tantek heh - well, document whatever pain / problems you run into and we can try to fix it
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tantek I want to improve this work flow, especially for new users
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barnabywalters oh weird I went from HTML to visual view and back and now all my <p> tags are invisible
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aaronpk wordpress is kind of aggressive about their own <p> tags
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barnabywalters interesting
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barnabywalters so how do we want to signify that it’s a repost? in the past I’ve just added a little paragraph at the top e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/articles/reblog-its-great-when-youre-straight-yeah/
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barnabywalters oh actually I put that entire article inside a <blockquote>
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tantek so I think putting the whole thing inside a <blockquote> feels unwieldly
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tantek it's gotta be easier to a repost
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tantek to do a*
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barnabywalters yeah it’s probably not the best use of <blockquote>
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tantek so perhaps that's a bit of a challenge for you - to think about the minimum necessary repost markup
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tantek imagine that you received a webmention from microformats.org back to your original
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tantek and that you wanted to list/link to it as a "repost"
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tantek what would you need, at a minimum, from the perspective of your webmention receiver/handler, to do this?
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barnabywalters well at the moment for bridgy retweets I’m just doing really minimal inline author + link to repost + datetime e.g. http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4UpG9E/
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barnabywalters all I need for that is a u-repost
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barnabywalters right now most of the reposts are coming from bridgy so they already have “retweeted this” text which Taproot just displays, I’ll probably replace that with my own text once reposts start coming in from other places
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barnabywalters so from the point of view of waterpigs.co.uk, all I need is a u-repost
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barnabywalters so a short paragraph saying “Reposted from <a …>waterpigs.co.uk</a>” should suffice
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barnabywalters for both humans and machines
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barnabywalters (that <a> has a href and class="u-repost")
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barnabywalters any opinions about u-repost vs u-repost-of?
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barnabywalters no harm in including both of them, there doesn’t seem to be any consensus though. I think taproot consumes both
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barnabywalters huh actually looks like Taproot only consumes u-repost-of
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barnabywalters so far it’s looking like this: http://microformats.org/?p=417&preview=true
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barnabywalters that <pre><code> is leaking off the page a bit…
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barnabywalters yeah wordpress is removing all the whitespace whenever you switch from visual to HTML editor
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barnabywalters baking some stuff, brb
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tantek u-repost-of is good
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tantek barnabywalters What do you think of moving the parenthetical (Reposted…) to the end of the blog post?
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tantek and yes, probably wouldn't hurt to put in some linebreaks in the pre code blocks :)
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barnabywalters tantek: sure, that would move it out of the way
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barnabywalters tantek: I *want* to add line breaks but wordpress keeps on removing them
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tantek also at the end you mention "They’re syndicated to my twitter account too."
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tantek which is similar
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barnabywalters yep, it fits in better there
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tantek also not sure how to (re)word that so it makes more sense in context?
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tantek rather than "my" etc.
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tantek seems to assume a context of your own blog
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tantek just seeing how it reads
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tantek I think you could even edit that last paragraph to be different for the "reblogged" copy
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barnabywalters sounds like a plan, will do so once these kanilsnudar are in the oven
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tantek awesome
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tantek it's looking good!
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