#microformats 2014-04-14

2014-04-14 UTC
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KartikPrabhu ok tantek: more complicated schema/microdata! https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/InverseProperties
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tantek indeed!
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barnabywalters microformats seems to have organically solved that problem via naming conventions — i.e. p-comment <-> u-in-reply-to, p-like <-> p-like-of
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KartikPrabhu barnabywalters: agreed!
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KartikPrabhu also so mcuh easier to read than "itemprop" stuff
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tantek oh yeah, InverseProperties is an academic thing
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tantek in practice, YAGNI
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barnabywalters InverseProperties also assumes that things are not messy
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barnabywalters which is generally incorrect
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KartikPrabhu that seems to be an assumption of most schema/rdfa/microdata
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barnabywalters i.e. a p-comment might be a like or a repost or a reply
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barnabywalters it’s not only things with in-reply-to which can be shown as comments
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KartikPrabhu it seems to me that rdfa/microdata are aiming to be a very broad and general data markup. It seems overkill for webpages but are they used anywhere else where such complexity might be useful?
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KartikPrabhu for instance RDF can represent arbitrary graphs (not just tree) of data nodes, but does anyone need to do that?
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barnabywalters well microdata is tied to HTML5 syntax
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barnabywalters RDF is more of a concept than a format
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barnabywalters i.e. RDF data can be expressed in many different formats
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KartikPrabhu I see. but apart from webpages (which I don't need all that jazz) are they used anywhere else? Like some XML data files or somethign
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: presumably, but off the top of my head I can’t name one
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barnabywalters I’m not really in that world
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KartikPrabhu neither am I, which is why I am confused as to why people want all these complicated things...
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barnabywalters KartikPrabhu: complexity can be extremely attractive
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barnabywalters I went through a phase of using really complex software tools because it made me feel like I was a “proper developer”
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KartikPrabhu yeah... i see what you mean. I am having an email exchange with someone who might know. Maybe a blogpost will follow.
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KartikPrabhu the guy wrote this thesis: http://ruben.verborgh.org/phd
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tantek barnabywalters: haha - yeah, that's a typical phase :)
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Loqi nice
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tantek KartikPrabhu: people want complicated things because sometimes they don't know better (simplicity is hard), and sometimes they're complexity hobbyists (AKA academics)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: everytime you say 'academics' I feel I should get offended but I don't :P
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tantek PhD's are a driver of artificial complexity.
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KartikPrabhu boooo! :)
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tantek in practice ;)
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KartikPrabhu :D No I totally understand what you mean...
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tantek aside, KartikPrabhu "Serendipitous Web Applications" is the funniest phrase I have seen this morning.
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tantek but the day is young ;)
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