#microformats 2014-05-31

2014-05-31 UTC
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KartikPrabhu question: the microformat for marking titles is p-name, but is there a way to markup sub-titles? example: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/indieweb-love-blog I want to markup "or: how I learnt to stop worrying and love the blog." as a subtitle
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KartikPrabhu thought of p-summary but that does not fit at all
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aaronpk interesting!
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KartikPrabhu in the old microformat1 you might think entry-subtitle but nothing in microformats2
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aaronpk "title" is kind of a dirty word in mf2 land iirc
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KartikPrabhu I agree
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KartikPrabhu more use cases: In my feed I wouldn't really want the subtitle as it might be long as in (https://kartikprabhu.com/archive/year=2014) but some one referring it might want to put it there like: http://adactio.com/links/6757 where adactio uses the <title> attribute I think instead of p-name
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aaronpk seems like it's definitely worth collecting examples of this
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KartikPrabhu what is the proper place to record these?
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: microformats question ref: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today#c72040
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 59 minutes ago: microformats question ref: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=today#c72040
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tantek KartikPrabhu: Maybe use summary for both title & subtitle?
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tantek Doesn't seem like there's a use case for *separately* marking up subtitle.
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KartikPrabhu summary seems to be something completely diff though. Like the little blurbs on my article feed page
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tantek It can be used for that too
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KartikPrabhu I was hoping to automatically parse my HTML article files and auto-generate the feed summaries using p-name for title and p-summary for the blurbs. Similarly auto-parse "p-subname" and include that if it isn't too long.
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KartikPrabhu but it is true that not a lot of people have subtitles on any post at all
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tantek Yeah, hgroup had the same problem. Insufficient actual usage.
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KartikPrabhu if I decide to use an experimental microformat name what would you suggest? p-subname sounds not so nice :)
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tantek p-x-subtitle maybe since that's what you called it in the first place?
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KartikPrabhu cool. will consider that. thanks :)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: on the x-* issue. Why put the x-? if it is experimental people won't look for it in the parsed mf anyway right?
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tantek The -x- helps make it more clear that it's experimental. It'll still show up in the Json.
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KartikPrabhu so it is sort of an active warning. seems reasonable
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tantek Right
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tantek I think that's on the main /wiki/microformats2 page
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KartikPrabhu read up on -x- . I also like the vendor prefixing use case! pretty nifty
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KartikPrabhu !tell tantek: how about commandeering "p-additional-name" from h-card to be used with h-entry for "subtitles" ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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Loqi tantek: KartikPrabhu left you a message 6 hours, 26 minutes ago: how about commandeering "p-additional-name" from h-card to be used with h-entry for "subtitles" ?
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tantek aaronpk, re: http://twitter vs. https://twitter - didn't we decided to *NOT* auto-match those for security reasons?
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tantek I thought that was in the FAQ
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aaronpk at some point we decided that http -> https redirects are fine, but https -> http are not
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aaronpk and I don't see any reason not to treat http://twitter and https://twitter separately
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aaronpk er, not double negative
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tantek so we're not requiring people to link to https versions of profiles when available?
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aaronpk if we assume http -> https redirects are ok, I can't think of a good reason to require it
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aaronpk this latest change also treats https://github.com/aaronpk and https://github.com/aaronpk/ the same
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aaronpk (github serves my profile page from both URLs rather than sending a redirect)
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tantek that's annoying
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aaronpk it is, but it's also not really relevant to the protocol
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tantek did we decide http -> https redirects are ok only when it's the same domain?
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tantek or regardless?
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tantek aaronpk - the site-deaths that you moved to past - did you confirm that they're actually dead?
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tantek e.g. myopenid appears to still be functional - hence why I put it in the "Any Day Now" section instead of "Past"
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aaronpk I think regardless, because it's a security upgrade
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aaronpk myopenid wasn't resolving for me when I checked...
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tantek i was *just* able to sign into it
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aaronpk oh weird, yeah me too
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tantek https://www.myopenid.com/
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aaronpk i coulda sworn it wasn't working earlier
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aaronpk maybe was a temporary glitch
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tantek interesting about j12t saying "Cloud is out" - since he was co-organizing the Personal Cloud meetups. http://upon2020.com/banter/2014/05/31/new-motto-cloud-is-out-privacy-indieweb/
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tantek loom.com appears to still be up
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aaronpk fixes
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tantek In general if you're not sure (i.e. you haven't double-checked), move things to "Any Day Now" rather than past. Past = dead. Confirm it.
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tantek and oops somehow I was chatting in #microformats when I meant to chat in #indiewebcamp
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KartikPrabhu I was wondering about this :P
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tantek aaronpk didn't correct me ;)
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aaronpk was wondering if tantek was using #microformats as backchannel for indieauth talk
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