#microformats 2014-10-17

2014-10-17 UTC
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Mark87 is there anything similar to microdata's itemref in microformats? Where I can essentially say "I've already marked up this data somewhere else on the page, but they really belong here under this microformat object, so here is their space-separated id's, include them in the parser output"?
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Loqi Mark87: tantek left you a message on 10/16 at 1:20pm: take a look at http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes re: collisions etc.
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tantek Mark87 - yes, in classic microformats we had the include pattern. in microformats2 we tentatively decided to re-use "itemref" as-is.
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tantek Though strangely, there haven't been many use-cases for it.
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Mark87 @tantek thanks. One use case is including a p-author h-card in each h-entry, except that the mf2 parsing algo seems to take that into account as a separate piece of logic
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tantek the microformats2 parsing algorithm is pretty clear there - no separate piece of logic AFAIK
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tantek are you talking about indiewebcamp.com/authorship perhaps?
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Mark87 yes, that's what I meant
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Mark87 well then people really ought to make use of itemref for authorship.
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tantek Mark87 - why? people are already using rel=author
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tantek so it makes sense to re-use that first
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Mark87 Well that's what people are using so it does make sense to use that. Its also true that having more options available for writers to use will increase the proliferation of microformats because its easier to write. Personally though I would like it to be easier to read :)
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tantek Mark87 - those two are diametrically opposed.
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Mark87 indeed
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tantek thus it makes sense to re-use reasonable standards that people are using
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tantek especially when they're already minimal/simple, like rel=author
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tantek it's not clear itemref would make anything easier for anybody
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tantek in fact, I believe quite the opposite - it would complicate things for most
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tantek should we have a documented need for generic itemref-like functionality in microformats, the current approach is to re-use itemref at that time: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-brainstorming#adopt_itemref
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Mark87 @tantek++
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