#microformats 2015-07-03

2015-07-03 UTC
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kylewm KevinMarks: I think I fixed the mf2j issue you mentioned with implied properties not being put into lists: http://mf2j.herokuapp.com/?url=https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38780898/radioseries.html
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kylewm thanks for pointing that out
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KevinMarks that looks better
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@dgmike Michael Granados ~ Diário is out! http://paper.li/dgmike?edition_id=3e8e4420-211c-11e5-822d-0cc47a0d15fd Stories via @microformats @dailyjs (twitter.com/_/status/616768703137456128)
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@AllTheTwits tea #4: and the Microformats cheat-sheet. (twitter.com/_/status/616771280507944964)
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KevinMarks wait, what? http://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld/#microformats
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tantek lol
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tantek amazing how much bigger it is?
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glennjones edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+2307) "Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation" (view diff)
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kylewm edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+772) "/* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */" (view diff)
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kylewm edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+0) "/* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */" (view diff)
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kylewm edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+37) "/* Empty properties overridden by implied rules against user expectation */" (view diff)
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@jcemer Antes de sair usando [rel] para tudo, favor ler o que segue http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (twitter.com/_/status/616985568979877888)
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@wpulsarblog Author hReview Plugin Review - #WordPress #wp http://www.wpulsar.com/author-hreview-plugin/ (twitter.com/_/status/617003632806883328)
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tantek good morning #microformats!
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tantek kylewm: it looks like webdatacommons is using the "any23" extractor from Apache, per https://www.assembla.com/code/commondata/subversion/nodes/244/Extractor/trunk/extractor/src/main/java/org/webdatacommons/extractor/IgnorantHcardExtractorFactory.java
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tantek I thought there was an open issue on any23 to parse microformats2 but I can't seem to find it now
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csarven tantek My IRC client linkifies "#microformats!" as one term.
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tantek csarven: channel names can have ! in them?
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csarven I tend to leave all punctuation a space away from the hashtags as to keep general consistency.
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csarven Good point.
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csarven Unless you mean #microformats! and not #microformats ;)
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csarven s/mean/intended
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Loqi csarven meant to say: Unless you intended #microformats! and not #microformats ;)
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tantek those are linkified the same in my IRC client (Colloqu)
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tantek s/Colloqu/Colloquy
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Loqi tantek meant to say: those are linkified the same in my IRC client (Colloquy)
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csarven is using Chatzilla these weeks.
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csarven Never satisfied with IRC clients and text/code editors.
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tantek if Chatzilla is including the ! in the channel name to link to the it is likely a bug - perhaps report it?
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tantek s/the it/then it
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Loqi tantek meant to say: if Chatzilla is including the ! in the channel name to link to then it is likely a bug - perhaps report it?
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csarven I don't think it is a bug because as you said, ! is allowed for channel names. Just tested with #m!
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tantek oh right!
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tantek ok well then that settles it - space before the ! in such cases :)
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csarven FYI, I never really had good luck with any23. Found it slow as well.
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tantek csarven: it seems to be what the webdatacommons folks use however for their analysis of commoncrawl corpuses (corpii?)
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tantek oh dear it's on Google Code: https://code.google.com/p/any23/issues/list
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csarven Possibly, can't recall. Let me find their last paper
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csarven http://data.dws.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/lodcloud/2014/ is a good starting point.
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tantek ah it's moved from Google Code to Apache SVN: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/any23/
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csarven "Approximately 519 thousand websites use RDFa, while only 140 thousand websites
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csarven use Microdata. Microformats are used on 1.7 million websites. It is interesting to see
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csarven that Microformats are used by approximately 2.5 times as many websites as RDFa
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csarven and Microdata together, despite of the usage of RDFa and Microdata currently being
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csarven propagated by the major search engines and social networking platforms." -- http://hannes.muehleisen.org/Bizer-etal-DeploymentRDFaMicrodataMicroformats-ISWC-InUse-2013.pdf
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csarven chuckles at the PDF
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tantek csarven: unfortunately they are conflating OGP (fake meta RDFa) in the RDFa stats
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csarven Quite weak/not so useful OGP neither
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csarven either
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tantek also - to be fair one should check what year the crawl was done for that paper
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tantek that might be dated information (i.e. based on raw stats older than 2014)
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tantek my own anecdotal experience is that OGP is now in the lead, then microformats, then microdata, then "actual" RDFa
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tantek (that OGP lead happened in the past 2-3 years)
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csarven I see. Sounds about right. But it is likely that RDFa is probably higher than Microdata now. Microdata took a hit 1-2 years ago IIRC.
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tantek hmm - there was a request for help from the Any23 developer late last year: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/microformats/20141109
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tantek does anyone know hectorMcSpector?
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tantek kylewm: I think a good goal would be to land your Java microformats2 parser into Any23 - or however one merges / includes such things in the Java open source world.
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tantek found the issue! https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207
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csarven rapper (redland) supports mf + GRDDL
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tantek do you have a URL for rapper and documentation of their microformats support?
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csarven tantek Just a sec.. but this is the repo https://github.com/dajobe/raptor
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tantek edited /any23 (+1128) "microformats2 support - link to issues, add clients, project pages" (view diff)
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tantek !tell kylewm when you have a moment, it would be great if you could comment on https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ANY23-207 noting/linking that there's now an open source java microformats2 parser now that they could start including.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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csarven "he default configuration of the GRDDL parser also reads microformats (hcard, hcalendar) and follows <link> tags that point to RDF/XML. Parts of the GRDDL process can be altered by configuration, which are describe below." -- https://github.com/dajobe/raptor/blob/07f22123064465381a4ce609675e9c520ff40af0/docs/raptor-parsers.xml
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tantek !tell kylewm and then perhaps update http://microformats.org/wiki/any23#microformats2_support accordingly - thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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csarven See also http://librdf.org/raptor/api/parser-grddl.html
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tantek edited /raptor (+51) "/* microformats support */ another citation from csarven" (view diff)
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tantek csarven I can't find an issues link on the repo: https://github.com/dajobe/raptor - do you know where they track issues / feature requests?
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tantek runs into a DRY violation on the microformats wiki with the usual problem.
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tantek http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Parsers vs. http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#microformats2_parsers
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tantek edited /parsers (+343) "/* microformats2 parsers */ add link to microformats2 page for latest/main, add golang, java parsers" (view diff)
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tantek !tell glennjones looks like http://microformat2-node.jit.su/ is down - is that temporary or permanent? was referenced on http://microformats.org/wiki/parsers#Microformat_Node
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek edited /parsers (+5) "/* past parsers */ change heading to more java since we have a microformats2 java parser in progress now" (view diff)
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tantek edited /parsers (+7) "/* More Java */ link to any23 local wiki page" (view diff)
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@frontinmaceio RT @jcemer: Antes de sair usando [rel] para tudo, favor ler o que segue http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values (twitter.com/_/status/617052667689480192)
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csarven !tell tantek http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/ -- supports some mf. Probably only mf1 these days
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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