#microformats 2016-02-19

2016-02-19 UTC
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dogada uf-wiki-visitor: schema.org microformats used by Google supports several breadcrumbs on single page
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Loqi dogada: aaronpk left you a message on 2/12 at 2:59pm: shoot, I suspect the server can't speak your SSL. I'll be moving pin13.net to a new server soon which should fix that problem.
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KartikPrabhu dogada: schema.org is not microformats
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KartikPrabhu it uses RDFa syntax IIRC
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dogada On https://dogada.org I use both schema.org and h-breadcrumb. It both allow to extend html with meta-information about paths. It looks like http://pastebin.com/REkNXPYa
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KartikPrabhu you can use both sure. but schema.org has no specifications for microformats
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KartikPrabhu afaik
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dogada aaronpk: thanks for looking into pin13.net SSL issue, on dogada.org I use free TLS-cert from startssl.com if it helps
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dogada KartikPrabhu: even if schema.org isn't formally a microformat, it's listed on http://microformats.org/wiki/breadcrumbs-formats, so if it walks like duck...
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KartikPrabhu it doesn't walk like a duck, because microformats parsers don't parse RDFa syntax
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KartikPrabhu even if it is mentioned on the microformats wiki as an alternative/prior attempts at breadcrumbs
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dogada Got strange issue with brid.gy after I added h-breadcrumb microformat to my blog. Page now has both h-breadcrumb and h-entry (for example please see https://dogada.org/dvd/blog/implemented-breadcrumbs) but when I try to publish it via brid.gy, it offers me to use text from h-breadcrumb and not from h-entry. Is it correct?
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KartikPrabhu I don't think it should
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KartikPrabhu feel free to ask on #indiewebcamp or file a bug with brid.gy
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dogada Thanks, filled a bug https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/621
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cjk101010 edited /microformats2 (+153) "new MF2 parser" (view diff)
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cjk101010 edited /microformats2 (-41) "Fixed value attribute according to spec and validator" (view diff)
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cjk101010 edited /microformats2 (+1) "match URL from href (ends with a slash)" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks I wish people would stop using u- as a prefix for utility classes in CSS. Use util- instead. You're messing with my microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/700752598123433985)
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tantek what exactly *is* a utility class (vs. what other kinds of class) name anyway KevinMarks ?
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@davidmead RT @kevinmarks I wish people would stop using u- as a prefix for utility classes in CSS. Use util- instead. You're messing with my microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/700753042866630656)
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KevinMarks for eg https://github.com/suitcss/utils
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KevinMarks http://davidtheclark.com/on-utility-classes/
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tantek KevinMarks: wow what?!? "Apply .float-left whenever you need something floated left, and you won’t end up filling stylesheets with repeated float: left;"
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tantek seriously? this sounds like a hack to workaround putting in inline style attributes on elements
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KevinMarks indeed
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KevinMarks and there is a convention for using u- for them, at elast in suits
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tantek hmm, this seems like a bad idea as a formalized practice for the same reasons that style attributes are
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tantek but at least with style attributes, their mere existence is like a giant (easily findable) FIXME in your code
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tantek so using something like .float-left is actually WORSE for maintenance / improvement than style="float:left"
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KevinMarks it's a way for people to violate the 'don't put inline styles in, use CSS' rule
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KevinMarks http://www.kevinmarks.com/twitterutils.html
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tantek maybe that's the better argument to make
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tantek that so-called "utility classes" are actually a bad (not good longterm) technique
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KevinMarks note the spurious properties: http://www.unmung.com/mf2?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kevinmarks.com%2Ftwitterutils.html&html=&pretty=on
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tantek I wonder if we have to black list certain u-*- prefixes
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tantek wow they're even mixing '-' and camelCase ?!?
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tantek a-ha, perhaps we can use that to our advantage to filter them out
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tantek pretty sure I documented an "all lowercase hyphenated words" convention somewhere for microformats
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tantek we could have parsers MUST IGNORE u-* properties where the * is camelCased
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KevinMarks well, to an extent it doesn't matter too much, as we aren't looking for those properties
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tantek KevinMarks, tommorris, gRegorLove, kylewm, aaronpk and anyone else actively working on / using mf2 parsers - what do you think of: "parsers MUST IGNORE u-* properties where the * is camelCased"
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@FakeUnicode RT @kevinmarks I wish people would stop using u- as a prefix for utility classes in CSS. Use util- instead. You're messing with my microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/700756348628180992)
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tantek ?
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KevinMarks a general post doing some utility class shaming may be a good thing
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KevinMarks that only gets the two word ones though
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KevinMarks https://github.com/suitcss/utils-display/
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tommorris Not sure, tantek. The other alternative is to only sniff for u-x-* and known u-'s
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tommorris But that makes the parser less flexible.
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KevinMarks oh god: https://github.com/suitcss/utils-flex
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tantek ugh - no way we want to go back down the "known u-'s" road
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KevinMarks is this a vendor prefix workaround?
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aaronpk ignoring camel case seems not terrible
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KevinMarks I'm still wary of that
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KevinMarks https://github.com/suitcss/utils-flex/blob/master/lib/flex-lg.css
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KevinMarks o_O
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KevinMarks they don't actually put the vendor prefixes on
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tantek that's just apart of their -sm- -md- -lg- horribly misthought media query breakpoints
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tantek I can't even begin to say why that's such a bad idea
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KevinMarks did I mention I hated bootstrap recently?
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tantek bootstrap--
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Loqi bootstrap has -4 karma
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KevinMarks gah, now I see why that chap wanted CDATA the other day
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KevinMarks when I embed the mf2 with html inside I get actual tags
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KevinMarks so I need to < it
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KevinMarks there's no way of doing the CDATA-like 'ignore < inside this" in html5
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-issues (+893) "ignore u-camelCase properties" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, KevinMarks opinions? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#ignore_u-camelCase_properties
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cjk101010 edited /parsers (+123) "Adding elixir" (view diff)
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