#microformats 2016-07-19

2016-07-19 UTC
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+475) "/* Parse img alt */ nested h-image, is workable, but requires author use of that structure" (view diff)
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tantek I wonder if it is ok for microformats to require the author to use a nested h-image if they want the alt text to propagate with the u-photo
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tantek btw this also works for <object> instead of <img>!
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aaronpk edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+803) "/* Parse img alt */ split into sections, add code examples" (view diff)
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tantek drat what
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aaronpk edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+0) "/* Make photo property an object */ oops just realized it's h-image" (view diff)
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aaronpk sorry were you editing too?
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aaronpk heh, the challenges of in-place editing
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+504) "/* Make photo property an object */ object works like img, use source tags, use "featured" to reduce confusion of what "photo" applies to" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh nice forgot about <source> tags
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tantek aaronpk, I kind of see the raw ability to extract and use URLs, e.g. u-photo or whatever as similar to HTTP requesting a .jpg URL
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tantek when a browser requests a .jpg, it's not like HTTP provdes an "ALT: here's a text alternative" in the return header
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tantek so it should be OK to have the ability to *just* upload images
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tantek or any other random binary
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aaronpk interesting
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tantek however what's missing is *a* way to provide alt-text pairing with that image if that's what you want to upload
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tantek and that's what an h-image would provide
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tantek micropub media endpoint in that sense is like HTTP, it just provides a raw place to upload a binary resource
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aaronpk that makes sense
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aaronpk so the media endpoint doesn't know about alt text, the alt text would be added when the image is used in a post
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+842) "/* Make photo property an object */ have u-* on an img automatically create an object if there is a non-empty 'alt' attribute" (view diff)
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tantek aaronpk, yes that is one possible approach
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tantek also I just captured what I think you were suggesting, maybe from voxpelli earlier about only creating an object if there is a non-empty alt
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tantek see "2." here: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Make_photo_property_an_object
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tantek I honestly don't know which approach will be better
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tantek this deserves broader discussion
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tantek The "2." approach would have the side-effect of being scalable to "lang" or "id" or potentially any other attribute we wanted to "pass through"
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tantek aaronpk, can you try writing up the object structures in either case so we can compare?
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tantek and then I'd like to get feedback from folks using mf2 JSON
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aaronpk edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+319) "/* Make photo property an object */ add html/json example" (view diff)
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aaronpk like that?
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tantek looks good
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KevinMarks_ Would u-featured be an image that is purely presentational?
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tantek no
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tantek purely presentational is like little decorative doo-dads for the corners etc.
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tantek u-featured means a featured photo
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tantek representative of an article the way news articles have a featured photo
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tantek that's definitely a specific meaning that is being conveyed
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tantek aaronpk: I'm leaning toward "2." because it causes more "automatic accessibility"
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tantek in terms of the "alt" information getting passed through
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+522) "/* Parse img alt */ discussion section, leaning towards "Make photo property an object" brainstorm "2."" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+8) "/* img alt discussion */ /div" (view diff)
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aaronpk now that's where the github thread becomes more useful :)
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tantek aaronpk - maybe? I'd rather keep a summary of current preferences somehow
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tantek rather than back/forth discussion that's hard to figure out what people actually want
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aaronpk heh interesting
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tantek like I don't feel like a "debate" framing is helpful here
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tantek because I don't want to feel like defening a particular proposal / position
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tantek s/defening/defending
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aaronpk so you would update that discussion item if you revise your opinion?
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tantek yes
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tantek like I did with my opinions on indieweb.org options
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tantek maybe "discussion" is the wrong term there
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tantek I'm not sure what to call it
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tantek "current opinion"
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aaronpk yeah that'd be better
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tantek maybe thoughts
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aaronpk edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+578) "/* img alt discussion */ my thoughts" (view diff)
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tantek oops I did it again
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+181) "/* img alt discussion */ more thoughts than discussion." (view diff)
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tantek ok thoughts: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#img_alt_thoughts
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+249) "/* img alt thoughts */ emergence convergence -> go back to github to discuss that specific proposal to see if we can get consensus" (view diff)
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tantek edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (-1) "/* img alt thoughts */" (view diff)
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kevin marks edited /microformats2-parsing-brainstorming (+390) "/* img alt thoughts */ specific alt makes sense" (view diff)
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KevinMarks_ The web version of the Log says loqi edited
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aaronpk i know https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues/3
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aaronpk lol wat
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tantek aaronpk: wat indeed. there are no microformats on that site!
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