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# 13:14 Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next benclark, JohnBeales, barpthewire, ivc, gRegorLove, KartikPrabhu, tantek, [eddie] and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
# 17:01 tantek Zegnat, yes thanks for the Powazek reminder. Always a good reference. # 17:02 tantek and I'm just going to quote some of the advice that he gave "... she probably needs to kick them out into Google Base, in order to fully be listed in Google." # 17:02 tantek if you don't remember Google Base, then I encourage you to look it up. SEO nonsense doesn't age well. nitot joined the channel
# 17:17 gRegorLove Heh "perhaps some catchy link bait, which may pull in the links she needs to rank better (which, by the way, is a recommended Google practice)." # 17:20 aaronpk that whole second story is demonstrating derek's point exactly. hire good web developers to make good websites. nitot joined the channel
# 17:42 [kevinmarks] Danny is a good guy. We should pitch him to talk indieweb at the next smx # 17:51 tantek kevinmarks, then there was that whole Google Base advocacy in his dated defense of SEO # 17:52 tantek or rather, any SEO "magic" beyond just "build a good website" is all short term # 17:53 tantek and yes I've met Danny and he's a fine fellow. no personal issues with him. just have a problem with the flawed SEO methodologies that are pitched / sold as worth paying for. # 17:54 tantek and feel free to make the claim that search engines will inevitably support it, so when they flip it on, the sites that are ready with it will get the biggest boosts! # 17:54 aaronpk from what I can tell, SEO people have no interest in mf2 because search engines aren't indexing it, and microformats "lost" the search engine game with mf1 # 17:54 tantek they forget they recommended Google Base (same time as mf1) which was what actually lost # 17:54 aaronpk I don't think any good will come from pitching mf2 to SEO people, since they are essentially on the tailing end of the search engine game # 17:54 tantek plenty of mf1 still out there which is still indexed # 17:55 tantek aaronpk, yeah, to SEO people in general I agree # 17:55 aaronpk SEO people will recommend things that search engines index # 17:55 aaronpk search engines will index things that exist on the web # 17:55 tantek could be an interesting dialog with Danny in particular # 17:56 [kevinmarks] It would be a good place to talk webmention when we want it stress tested for spam # 17:57 tantek whoever does that talk should have Vouch all dialed in on their own personal site first :P # 18:33 aaronpk what's the recommended way to include vendor-specific properties in an h-entry? # 18:39 tantek literally the text "vendor-specific" is in the mf2 FAQ :P # 18:40 tantek wonders if we should just declare a canonical vendor prefix of -schema- # 18:40 tantek and just immediately enable everyone to use schema vocabs in microformats as a vendor extension # 18:41 aaronpk that sounds like a great press release for april 1 # 18:41 tantek better: "microformats embraces and extends schema" # 18:41 tantek where's kevinmarks, I wonder if he wants to get in on this # 18:42 tantek since he's in the UK, we could kick it off on 2017-04-01 BST # 18:42 tantek catch a few folks off guard on Friday the 31st afternoon here in PDT # 18:42 tantek oh man, this means we can start a vendor prefix registry wiki too # 18:43 tantek kevinmarks, you did a prototype/proposal as a blog post # 18:43 aaronpk [kevinmarks]: gotta do it like a big news thing instead of an attempt at a neutral comparison # 18:43 tantek kevinmarks, your blog post was too literal :) # 18:45 aaronpk just make a transformation that converts camelCase to camel-case, like how javascript does it # 18:45 tantek kevinmarks, there's a w3c wiki page on that already if you want to work on that # 18:45 tantek I think elf started it comparing AS2 JSONLD to mf2 h-entry # 18:50 tantek and move it from proposed to examples in the wild KartikPrabhu, nitot, KevinMarks, [eddie], tantek, twisted`, [dgold] and [kevinmarks] joined the channel
Zegnat !tell tantek re: SEO “spam”, I always liked Derek’s take (make sure to read the follow up “FAQ” too). http://powazek.com/posts/2090
Loqi tantek: Zegnat left you a message 3 hours, 47 minutes ago: re: SEO “spam”, I always liked Derek’s take (make sure to read the follow up “FAQ” too). http://powazek.com/posts/2090
tantek Here's the hilarious thing, see the respectable (and respected) Danny Sullivan response on Search Engine Land: http://searchengineland.com/an-open-letter-to-derek-powazek-on-the-value-of-seo-27680
gRegorLove Heh "perhaps some catchy link bait, which may pull in the links she needs to rank better (which, by the way, is a recommended Google practice)."
[kevinmarks] Danny is a good guy. We should pitch him to talk indieweb at the next smx