#microformats 2017-05-26

2017-05-26 UTC
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[shaners] Anyone familiar with Wikipedia culture wanna take on getting them to use mf2?
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[shaners] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats
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ben_thatmustbeme talk about out of date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microformat
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[kevinmarks] Not sure how we edit that to not be pov though
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aaronpk :-/ https://github.com/movim/movim/issues/393#issuecomment-304310991
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Loqi [edhelas] Mhhh ok, so adding classes everywhere in the content :/ I'll have a look but not sure if I want to put those things in the views.
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ben_thatmustbeme :/
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aaronpk i feel like that is a continual conceptual hurdle
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Zegnat Sometimes it seems people rather add an island somewhere, JSON-LD style, than add classes.
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aaronpk i think it comes from the desire to keep presentation and data separate, like MVC style
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aaronpk and interestingly, in the case of things like wordpress, it's easier to add it outside the templating system
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aaronpk however it remains to be seen whether the data islands will bitrot after time, when the visible HTML continues to evolve
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sknebel I think microformats-node doesn't deal with href="" links properly :/
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sknebel compare "uid" in https://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F&callback=&dateformat=auto and http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvanderven.se%2Fmartijn%2F
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sknebel seems like this function is the culprit, not making a difference between nothing and "": https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/blob/master/lib/parser.js#L906
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sknebel thats probably an issue for a bunch of other properties as well...
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aaronpk oof
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aaronpk that's bad
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aaronpk file an issue?
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sknebel will do, but want to write it up properly
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sknebel and try to understand the scope
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sknebel e.g. should this globally be fixed for all properties or ...
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sknebel are there ones where empty values should be ignored?
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aaronpk i just fixed a similar thing in the php parser
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aaronpk it applied to both plaintext and url values
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sknebel the function getting the value from the DOM apparently *also* checks for empty
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sknebel we apparently really need a "feed a giant ball of test cases to all parsers and compare the results"
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sknebel (and more meta: it's of course not visible to people only taking a quick look, but it doesn't help "please use microformats, it's easy" :P)
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gRegorLove Doesn't do the test cases, but a side-by-side of some parsers here: https://willnorris.github.io/mf2compare/
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gRegorLove It also is supposed to do the Go parser, but his Go server is down currently
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sknebel https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/issues/30 issue filed. aaronpk: is the empty-property handling something specific, or should the code generally handle empty properties as existing and containing an empty string?
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Loqi [sknebel] #30 Handling of empty properties
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aaronpk This exact thing was discussed yesterday or the day before. I don't want to mis speak so refer to the logs
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aaronpk there's an issue in the PHP parser you can reference too
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sknebel looking through it. and trying to remember how the nodejs dev workflow works for these things
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gRegorLove Is microformat-shiv the same thing as microformat-node? A bit confused there.
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sknebel from my understanding, microformat-shiv is the core
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sknebel and microformat-node integrates a DOM implementation and wraps it
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gRegorLove Ahh
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sknebel browser plugins, client-side JS: -shiv, node: -node
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aaronpk [kevinmarks] ping for https://github.com/microformats/tests/pull/79 again
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Loqi [aaronpk] #79 fix homepage link in composer.json
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@doug001 @LFeh Hahahaha lembro quando falavam de microformats, xslt e web2.0 (twitter.com/_/status/868217076694962176)
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gRegorLove !tell tantek More spam :/ https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2017-05-26#t1495834694682000
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [sabnajauzz] created /User_talk:Gmail_Google_1-888-950-6111_Gmail_Customer_Care_Number_1.888.950.6111_Gmail_Customer_Suipport_Number (+7941) "New page: --(_) 1--(-)- Gmaℐl - - || 1-(-)---- || Gmaℐl -nical - Phone Number --(_) 1--(-)- Gmaℐl - - || 1-(-)----...
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aaronpk whee
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gRegorLove Working on adding rel-urls to the php-mf2 parser
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sknebel okay, for the simple cases that was an easy fix. but I need to be more awake and read value-class-pattern again...
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