#microformats 2017-05-27

2017-05-27 UTC
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@jsonfeed @thatcks @jen20 @GetEventStore Some folks say why not a straight mapping to RSS or Microformats. We tried to learn… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/868313194028290051 (twitter.com/_/status/868313194028290051)
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[shaners] aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/mf2-test/pull/7
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Loqi [veganstraightedge] #7 Add bootstrap styles to views
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@AxelNennker @tobie Also use standards http://schema.org/LocalBusiness #microformats @t @kevinmarks (twitter.com/_/status/868431875714547712)
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aaronpk the microformats tests are on packagist now! https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/tests
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aaronpk [shaners] awesome, i will look at that after i deal with php-mf2
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aaronpk hmm this is not how i thought the experimental language parsing was suppose to work
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aaronpk which other parsers support lang parsing?
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sknebel the JS ones have an experimental flag for it as well
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sknebel https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv#experimental-options
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Loqi [glennjones] microformat-shiv: A light weight cross browser JavaScript microformats parser
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aaronpk i think i need to move this behind a feature flag
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@call_user_func [New]mf2/tests Microformats test suite https://packagist.org/packages/mf2/tests (twitter.com/_/status/868484463369400321)
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aaronpk :sigh: doing the php 5.4 dance again
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aaronpk woo tests passed! https://travis-ci.org/indieweb/php-mf2/builds/236687685
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aaronpk v0.3.2 is released!
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aaronpk Next up: updating pin13.net
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@psyrax @WPCDMX esperando gente para preguntas de amp, microformats y AdSense en la entrada. #wcmx :D (twitter.com/_/status/868499846415646723)
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aaronpk [shaners] what's the utf8=✓ parameter for?
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aaronpk gonna assume it was copypasta from rails and get rid of it
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Zegnat aaronpk: https://stackoverflow.com/a/27338181
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aaronpk huh, i didn't seem to have any trouble without that
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Zegnat I have never personally had issues with that either. But I have seen people add it to URLs before.
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aaronpk [shaners] the php page is all updated for you! I also made it store data in redis so that it can run on heroku! i have a copy running at https://microformats-php.herokuapp.com/ but i'll shut that down as soon as you deploy to yours!
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aaronpk whoa something just triggered archive.org to crawl that
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aaronpk [shaners] oh and i'm happy to add a web hook for auto deploying to heroku if you want
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[shaners] aaronpk Correct. utf8=✓ is a railsism. The JSON URLs work without too.
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[shaners] For your heroku deploy, what bits did you have to flip to enable Redis?
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aaronpk it was a setting in the heroku admin somewhere
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aaronpk heroku has gotten nice. i didn't have to use the command line at all to deploy
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[shaners] Yeah. the php add Just Worked. only threw a warning about the version. @willnorris Go parser app Just Worked too. Also warned about a goversion not being set. But they’ve really got deploys figured out these days.
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[shaners] Like this?
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[shaners] Heroku Redis addon https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F5JT4MUE7/pasted_image_at_2017_05_27_11_17_am.png?pub_secret=b904c94218&name=Pasted image at 2017_05_27 11_17 AM.png
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aaronpk hm no i didn't have to do that
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aaronpk lol i don't know where i enabled redis
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[shaners] Can you look at your dashboard to see?
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[shaners] How do I test if redis is working?
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[shaners] in the php app, i mean
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aaronpk check if you can save html and view a permalink
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aaronpk o.O it just works
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aaronpk http://php.microformats.io/?id=20170527181913849
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[shaners] Awesome
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aaronpk i dont have the addon enabled somehow https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-05-27-11-18-53.png
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aaronpk maybe it knows because it's declared in composer.json
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[shaners] Aaaaand you just spoiled my big surprise announce of https://microformats.io ?
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aaronpk oooops
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[shaners] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk well you already included links to it in the PR that is live on https://pin13.net/mf2/
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aaronpk :)
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[shaners] So. Everyone, I built a simple introduction to Microformats page/site at https://microformats.io
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aaronpk oops no ssl there yet
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KartikPrabhu [shaners]: yeah gives "secure connection failed"
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KartikPrabhu http works
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[shaners] hmm. thought i already did that.
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[shaners] one sec.
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[shaners] Heroku provides free auto updated HTTPS via Let’s Encrypt now for paid dynos.
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[shaners] `heroku certs:auto:enable`
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sknebel shaners++
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[shaners] HTTPS is on now
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aaronpk ?
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sknebel works
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[shaners] Srsly. Heroku makes my ops life soooo much better.
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KartikPrabhu :thumbsup:
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[shaners] and easier
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[shaners] So. In addition to the the one page intro, I have deploy 3 parser sites as subdomains. (PHP, Ruby, Go). kylewm is working on packaging the python one up this weekend to be Heroku friendly.
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[shaners] And I need to reach out to glenn, bc his Node site is more complex than the other lang parser sites.
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[shaners] For now, http://node.microformats.io and http://python.microformats.io redirect to their respective homes.
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[shaners] https://php.microformats.io https://ruby.microformats.io https://go.microformats.io all Just Work
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Zegnat That’s awesome for testing, [shaners]!
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Zegnat [shaners]++
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Zegnat Is there an all.microformats.io ?
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[shaners] https://go.microformats.io has a pending Bootstrappy PR for the UI, bringing it closer to PHP’s and Ruby’s.
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[shaners] There is not. What were you imaging would go there?
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[shaners] Also, when kylewm sends his python Heroku app along, I’ll PR it for Similar UI too.
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[shaners] So, that way whichever someone uses, the experience will be the same/similar.
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sknebel aaronpk: I saw you added a failing test case to php-mf2 for the empty-properties. given that we have the same bug right now in the JS parsers, maybe that should be added to the main test collection (microformats/tests repo) as well?
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sknebel (*parser. singular. it's the same parser, just differently wrapped)
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Zegnat I would expect something like http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/ [shaners]: a way to compare the parsers
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aaronpk sknebel: yeah definitely. Feel free to PR it to the tests repo
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[shaners] zegnat: willnorris has mf2 comparerer site somewhere, but i’ll prolly reimplement it as a page on the site instead of another subdomain. .io/compare or something like that.
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sknebel https://willnorris.github.io/mf2compare/
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[shaners] exactly
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[shaners] I added it to the list of issues https://github.com/veganstraightedge/microformats.io/issues
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[shaners] And I’m especially proud of the little tagline copy that I wrote: Meaningful HTML
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aaronpk ?
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Regarding https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/issues/96#issuecomment-304457341 I think that html-lang should be a property of the h-entry since the h-entry has lang=sv?
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Loqi [aaronpk] @gRegorLove I'm looking at the parsed result and it looks like it's including an `html-lang` property in the wrong place. ```html <div class="h-entry" lang="sv" id="postfrag123"> <h1 class="p-name">En svensk titel</h1> <div class="e-content...
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aaronpk it looks like the brainstorming section never adds anything to the "properties" object
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gRegorLove True, looks like the first parse example on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-brainstorming#Parse_language_information puts it at the same level as the properties, but I'm not sure that makes sense.
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Loqi microformats2 parsing brainstorming
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aaronpk why not?
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aaronpk it's not a property of the h-entry so it shouldn't go in properties
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gRegorLove It's on the h-entry, why isn't it a property?
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aaronpk it's not part of the vocab
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gRegorLove Ok, starting to make more sense as I look at it more
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gRegorLove Pretty easy fix too: https://gregorlove.com/php-mf2/test.php?id=19
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Loqi En svensk titel
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gRegorLove Look right?
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aaronpk i think so
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aaronpk double check with the node parser maybe?
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aaronpk i don't remember the reasoning for using html-lang vs just lang
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gRegorLove I don't either. Checking the history
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gRegorLove It was tantek here: http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=prev&oldid=65421
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Loqi microformats2 parsing brainstorming
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gRegorLove !tell tantek We were wondering about the reasoning for "html-lang" instead of just "lang" here: http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=microformats2-parsing-brainstorming&diff=prev&oldid=65421
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi microformats2 parsing brainstorming
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aaronpk What other kind of lang is there?
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gRegorLove shrugs
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aaronpk Seems unnecessary
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gRegorLove hreflang I guess, but don't think a use has been identified for that in parsed results
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aaronpk all the data come from the HTML so no need to specify that
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gRegorLove Right
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gRegorLove microformat-shiv parses as "lang"
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gRegorLove Which I think is enough for us to mirror in php-mf2.
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aaronpk I'd say do that for now just so they're consistent. I still want to leave it behind a feature flag anyway
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gRegorLove Sounds good
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aaronpk Hm I should add a checkbox for that on pin13
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gRegorLove PR: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/124
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #124 Fix parsing of lang attribute
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aaronpk gRegorLove++
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aaronpk guess i should do another point release :)
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gRegorLove If you want to wait a bit, I have more we can put in it
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gRegorLove Unless it's urgent, I guess
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gRegorLove Working on adding rel-urls object
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aaronpk if it wasn't behind a flag i'd say it'd be urgent
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aaronpk i'm fine waiting
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aaronpk those sound like good features to release together
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gRegorLove ooh, pin13.net/mf2 looks great
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aaronpk yeah!
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gRegorLove Huh, interesting. I just noticed php-mf2 and mf2py include "alternates" object but it's not on /microformats2_parsing. Appears it was dropped from the spec in favor of rel-urls 2 years ago: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing-issues#drop_alternates_collection
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Loqi microformats2-parsing-issues
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gRegorLove Should I put it behind a deprecated flag or something? Don't want to break it if anyone's consuming it
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aaronpk oh huh
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gRegorLove Apparently you were/are consuming alternates. :) https://indieweb.org/irc/2015-06-01/line/1433195247005
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Loqi [aaronpk] i'd rather use rel-urls
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aaronpk looks like I was using it in Monocle, which isn't active anymore
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aaronpk we're on version 0.3.2 right now, and dropping alternates would be considered a breaking change, which would mean releasing that would bump the major version number
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aaronpk tho i suppose since we're still in major version 0, it'd be okay to do a backwards incompatible change
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aaronpk reviews http://semver.org
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gRegorLove microformat-shiv doesn't have alternates in result.
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aaronpk how about we release 0.4 with: rel-urls enabled, alternates dropped by default but can be enabled with a flag, and lang as is where it can be turned on with a flag
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gRegorLove That sounds good
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aaronpk i'd like to get to 1.0 once the lang stuff is stable
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gRegorLove Man, php-mf2 is growing up
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2017-05-27-15-59-41.png
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GWG I really wish a function to flatten was built into php-mf2
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aaronpk what do you mean flatten?
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GWG To turn it into something more like jf2. Although that is sort of out of scope.
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aaronpk yeah that's not the job of the parser
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aaronpk XRay is a library now, so you can always use that
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GWG It would be nice if it was part of the package though.
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aaronpk there's also https://github.com/barnabywalters/php-mf-cleaner
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Loqi [barnabywalters] php-mf-cleaner: Takes microformats2 array structure and makes it more sane. Counterpart to indieweb/php-mf2
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GWG I might consider discarding my work on it in favor of yours.
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gRegorLove Definitely recommend using php-mf-cleaner
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gRegorLove Or XRay
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GWG So, why not bundle that in the mf2 package itself?
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gRegorLove Because it's utilities, not part of the parsing spec
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aaronpk I prefer XRay's approach over php-mf-cleaner
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GWG I understand. I just think it would be easier to have utilities around the parser.
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aaronpk and both are basically language-level APIs consuming the parsed result, rather than part of the parsing
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KartikPrabhu it is a good idea to keep mf2 parsing and consuming/cleaning etc... separate
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KartikPrabhu since the consuming/cleaning depends on the particular consumption use
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gRegorLove Hm, should php-mf-cleaner composer.json require php-mf2? I think then you could just `composer require barnabywalters/mf-cleaner` and have them both
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GWG I considered bundling part of XRay in my work, but there are reasons I don't.
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aaronpk gRegorLove: that sounds reasonable
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[shaners] Aaronpk if I add you to the heroku app, you wanna set up post commit deploy to heroku?
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aaronpk sure
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