#microformats 2017-06-12

2017-06-12 UTC
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[shaners] @zegnat: which microformats.io link are you talking about?
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aaronpk it was a php.microformats.io one in a github issue
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gRegorLove The HTML for that php.microformats.io dead link is in the test case here: https://github.com/gRegorLove/php-mf2/blob/2755bdb5583846ebc17e798ac8affb5efff0c100/tests/Mf2/ParseUTest.php#L253
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gRegorLove aaronpk: Wouldn't regex [ap] allow "ap", not just "a" or "p"?
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gRegorLove Oh, not without a + after. Nevermind.
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aaronpk [] is a character class, and by itself matches just one character
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gRegorLove Found some other edge cases where the regex could be tightened up. the am/pm check should be case-insensitive and optionally allow periods between.
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gRegorLove I'll push updates and some more tests
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gRegorLove I think the ^$ delimiters will make that more explicit, too. It's technically "working" for those cases now because the first regex in the or condition catches it regardless of the am/pm suffix
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gRegorLove Whoa
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aaronpk !spammer KmbBowman1
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aaronpk !block KmbBowman1
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aaronpk oops
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell gRegorLove, tantek, aaronpk the parsing spec says a.m. and p.m must be case sensative, but the test suite disagrees with that, and actually so do I. I wrote ruby to be case incensative. what is the reasoning there?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat ben_thatmustbeme, where in the spec?
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Zegnat “ Case insensitive { }"am"|{ }"a.m." suffix to treat an HH value of 12 as 00, or a case-insensitive { }"pm"|{ }"p.m." suffix to add 12 to HH value less than 12”
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Zegnat Specifies insensitive specifically
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Zegnat Quoted from http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Date_and_time_parsing
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ben_thatmustbeme !tell gRegorLove, tantek, aaronpk nevermind, i misread it at the time and remembered that
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 3 karma in this channel (60 overall)
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Zegnat spent too much time on the vcp page
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ben_thatmustbeme i *thought* i had as well
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Zegnat I still feel like that date parsing should not be vcp related, and should be abstracted to dt-* parsing. But no matter how I write it up, it just gets more convoluted :( That might be something I spent time on during IWS
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ben_thatmustbeme i think its because mf2 uses datetime attribute, vcp is all backcompat
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Zegnat mf2 only uses the datetime attribute if dt-* is applied to a time element. It is not a requirement.
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Zegnat With vcp you can get implied datetime parts, validation of datetime. When you move away from vcp all that is lost.
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ben_thatmustbeme well, yes, that sounds right to me, datetime field must be a valid 8601 according to html5, so i'm not so worried about that, and parsing a validating a timestamp when there is only one value, is sort of fruitless, it should be passed back as-is
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ben_thatmustbeme and let person do with what they will
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ben_thatmustbeme i think the whole vcp stuff is a little bit silly
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ben_thatmustbeme it gets really complex on the parser honestly and the gains are pretty minor.
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Zegnat <span class="dt-start">this monday</span> - is parsed as "this monday".
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Zegnat <span class="dt-start"><span class="value">this monday</span></span> - is parsed as "".
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Zegnat Feels. Weird.
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ben_thatmustbeme i don't actually see on http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Date_and_time_parsing where it says to change it to '' if its not valid
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ben_thatmustbeme both would return "this monday" by my reading
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Zegnat It might just be current implementations then. Or an interpretation of “If by parsing the "value" element(s), at least a specific date has been found, then the "value" is overall valid,” where all other results are labelled invalid.
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Zegnat PHP example: https://php.microformats.io/?id=20170612114005929
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Zegnat Though testing that bit of HTML against the other microformats.io parsers it looks like parsers do not like to agree on what the outcome of that should be :p
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ben_thatmustbeme Zegnat: agreed it should be clarified so parsers agree at least
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gRegorLove Re: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2017-06-12#t1497263726781000
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Loqi gRegorLove: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 7 hours, 40 minutes ago: the parsing spec says a.m. and p.m must be case sensative, but the test suite disagrees with that, and actually so do I. I wrote ruby to be case incensative. what is the reasoning there?
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Loqi gRegorLove: ben_thatmustbeme left you a message 7 hours, 33 minutes ago: nevermind, i misread it at the time and remembered that
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Loqi [Zegnat] <span class="dt-start"><span class="value">this monday</span></span> - is parsed as "".
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gRegorLove Once this dt- parsing PR is updated and merged, it won't return empty string. It won't have a "start" property in the parsed results.
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gRegorLove That's my understanding of the valid vs invalid distinction
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gRegorLove ^ PR for php-mf2, to be clear
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gRegorLove o/ tantek
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