#microformats 2017-08-14

2017-08-14 UTC
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@voxpelli @_mql Addresses are a mess: https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-addresses/ But e.g. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-adr references https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6350#section-6.3.1 (twitter.com/_/status/897048883309797376)
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@martijnvdven @_mql Go with free form & make additional semantics optional? http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card#p-adr does it: adr is freeform but… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/897078631750656000 (twitter.com/_/status/897078631750656000)
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@_mql @martijnvdven We are in XML source land in that argumentation. Output could be HTML+microformats of course. (twitter.com/_/status/897088615850938368)
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@martijnvdven @_mql The microformats data object can be XML. That’s where you could take inspiration from the format, I wasn’t su… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/897090444286468096 (twitter.com/_/status/897090444286468096)
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@_mql @martijnvdven Sure. I like the nomenclature of microformats and suggested it. https://github.com/substance/texture/issues/240#issuecomment-322192511 We need to te… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/897092487227092992 (twitter.com/_/status/897092487227092992)
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@In0sea “WordPressの構造化データ（http://microformats.org hAtom）マークアップ | Root-013” http://htn.to/969hdU (twitter.com/_/status/895564425314181120)
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tantek voxpelli++ for sharing https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-addresses/
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tantek worth adding to microformats.org/wiki/address-formats as background research
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tantek (create the page if it doesn't exist)
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tantek edited /h-adr (+22) "/* See Also */ address formats" (view diff)
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tantek created /address-formats (+474) "stub with a few known formats, article on assumptions, see also" (view diff)
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tantek created /address (+19) "r" (view diff)
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tantek OTOH one of the articles that links to is seriously flawed and makes up a bunch of theoretical stuff mixed in with actual problems - the one about names: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
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tantek basically the article is very poor because all it does is list assumptions and claims they are false without providing any evidence
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tantek or real world examples (in contrast to the addresses article)
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tantek just a bunch of "sounds like that could be a bad assumption" type stuff which is claimed as true
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tantek it's just as bad to assert certainty about the falsehood of assumptions as it is to assert certainty about the assumptions in the first place!
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aaronpk according to who?
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tantek they are logically equivalent. asserting A or asserting !A
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tantek the time one is better as there are implicit references that can be checked
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aaronpk ?
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tantek aaronpk, worse still, several of "this assumption about names is false" can be refuted with counter-examples that demonstrate legal standards that require them, e.g. passports, that have nothing to do with "Programmers"
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tantek weakens their case a lot
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tantek The time posts are also annoying in that they omit examples
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tantek the geo one at least has examples: https://wiesmann.codiferes.net/wordpress/?p=15187&lang=en
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tantek the "Switzerland has no capital" is interesting!
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tantek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland
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tantek "None (de jure) Bern (de facto)"
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aaronpk speaking of regional differences, TIL that birthdays work totally differently in Korea
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tantek I'm relieved to find https://kevin.deldycke.com/2016/12/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-falsehoods-lists/ so I don't have to write it
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aaronpk when you are born you are "1". then on the next Jan 1, you turn "2"
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tantek aaronpk: that actually makes sense as when you are born you are living your first year
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aaronpk since my birthday is right at the end of the year, my korean age is almost always 2 years more than my birthday age
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tantek wait what I just read the part about next Jan 1
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tantek ok that makes no sense
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tantek sounds like a conflation of birth*day* and birth*year*
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KartikPrabhu cultural norms rarely "make sense"
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tantek they often evolve to make more sense
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tantek oh dear, rabbithole alert: https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood
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Loqi [kdeldycke] awesome-falsehood: :pill: Curated list of falsehoods programmers believe in.
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tantek oh my goodness this is a good idea for a future dystopia namechange: https://www.wired.com/2015/11/null/
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KartikPrabhu anti-adblock-alert;dr
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tantek anti-adblock-alert blocked by js;dr :D
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tantek it's like a real world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(TV_series)#Blank_Reg
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aaronpk if you think about it, we say someone is X years old, so tying it to calendar year isn't a huge stretch
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aaronpk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_age_reckoning#Korean
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tantek it's like a delta variant of saying they were born in year x
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tantek this is also better than the names one, with the convenient "Why is this false?" links http://www.atlefren.net/post/2014/09/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-maps/
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tantek wonders if aaronpk has read ^^^]
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aaronpk oh boy that looks like fun
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aaronpk the time one is good too. what a rabbit hole
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tantek seriously.
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tantek speaking of time... adding dates... to ...
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