#microformats 2018-04-21
2018-04-21 UTC
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webchat254 hi
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# zegnat edited /get-started (+2604) "Undo revision 66783 by [[Special:Contributions/Sewarental|Sewarental]] ([[User talk:Sewarental|Talk]])" (view diff)
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# prlbr hey, how can I get rel="up" to be promoted to a valid rel-value again?
# prlbr it has been dropped from the HTML spec *without prejudice* (http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#dropped_without_prejudice)
# prlbr i think that it provides a useful information, namely that the linked resource is one level higher in a hierarchy of documents
# prlbr for example, i use it in my photo gallery: https://prlbr.de/galerie/14/linie-1/
# prlbr http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#dropped_without_prejudice says that "up" is a synonym of "parent"
# prlbr so maybe that would be a reason not to use "up" anymore and use "parent" instead?
# prlbr but in http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values#formats "parent" can actually refer to the family relation, i.e. to a human mother or a human father
# prlbr so "parent" isn’t an adequate substitute in my opinion
# prlbr by the way, "up" is included in https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
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@coldacid_ebooks My legs are made to move away from #microformats. (twitter.com/_/status/987631591882199040)
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# prlbr there is already a stub at http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-up
# prlbr should I create an account for the wiki and edit the wiki with more use cases/implementations?
# prlbr or should I make a proposal somewhere else, i.e. on my website first, which includes use cases and come back here with a link once I’ve finished?
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[kevinmarks] Document usage on the wiki is the best idea. See http://microformats.org/wiki/process for lots of advice
# prlbr okay, thank you both, I'll do that within the coming days
# prlbr oh
# prlbr to create an account in the wiki I’d need to pass a reCAPTCHA test that doesn’t work anymore
# prlbr it says "Direct site owners to g.co/recaptcha/upgrade"
# prlbr oh, yes. that worked. gracias!
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# [unoabraham] Looking for pointers on how to get started.
# [unoabraham] The basic idea is to add to a child theme (or create a new one).
# [kevinmarks] A child theme for what?
# [unoabraham] I meant adding Microformats to WordPress theme.
# [kevinmarks] The WordPress channel may be a better place to get answers there
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KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: how is php-mf2 doing the rel-tag parsing? see example here: https://github.com/microformats/mf2py/issues/101#issuecomment-383311833
# KartikPrabhu mf2py substitutes the rel-tag with a <data> element but then the data element shows up in the content.html
# KartikPrabhu in php-mf2 the entry-summary to p-summary conversion shows up in the content.html
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gRegorLove It adds a <data> element
# gRegorLove Other mf1 backcompat it adds the mf2 classes, then parses it as mf2, so yeah the p-summary appears there.
# KartikPrabhu why is the <data> not appearing then?
# gRegorLove Not ideal, of course, but that's the method it's used since before I worked on it
# gRegorLove It's appended outside that element
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# KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: oh! you mean inside the hentry but outside the content?
# gRegorLove Yeah. Here's the function: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/blob/master/Mf2/Parser.php#L1307
# KartikPrabhu aah! nice, this case seems to be anticipated!
# gRegorLove With this exception, but it's an odd edge case that we haven't seen live: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2018-03-25#t1522006221946300
# KartikPrabhu hmmm
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Zegnat ... do you maybe have the right to start a page, like http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-json, that I can then go and write? Haha
# gRegorLove There's some threshold of edits before you can create pages on the wiki. I had to wait a while before I could create my user page :)
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jmac Actually, lemme back up a little here. *Is* <data> an HTML5 element? It doesn't seem to be on e.g. https://www.w3schools.com/HTML/html5_new_elements.asp .
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# KartikPrabhu jmac: w3schools is not a good reference
# KartikPrabhu jmac: yeah I am not criticising you :)
# KartikPrabhu MDN is a pretty good resource so I would recommend that
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# KartikPrabhu jmac: <data class="p-author" value="author name"></data>
# KartikPrabhu i.e. use an empty <data> element with the value set to the author name
# gRegorLove Zegnat: https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/170 lgtm, though in the new test it's probably better to use h-entry instead of h-test
# gRegorLove We've used h-acme- in other tests if it needs to be something made up, to make it obvious in case anyone tries to copy/paste
# gRegorLove ha!
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