#microformats 2018-04-25

2018-04-25 UTC
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[tantek] Up or down. I wonder if a broken UI will be a discouragement or if they’ll try anyway
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[kevinmarks] Could we move the mf wiki to indieauth?
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aaronpk Probably not til we upgrade it
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bdesham Can anyone provide me with examples in the wild of a Microformats2 situation where there are multiple top-level types simultaneously?
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bdesham E.g., {type: ["h-adr", "h-entry"], properties: ...}
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bdesham_afk I haven't run into this situation (that I can remember). I'm working on a library that deals with mf2 and I'm wondering if supporting this case is even necessary
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[pfefferle] I use h-cite and h-entry for my comments http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnotiz.blog%2F2018%2F03%2F09%2Fbuzzword-bingo%2F
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Loqi [Matthias Pfefferle] Buzzword-Bingo
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Zegnat bdesham_afk, the also used to be h-as-* for ActivityStream mapping
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[pfefferle] But this is finally deprecated
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Zegnat Yep. I actually couldn't find any good examples of multiple types when I was writing /microformats2-json
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Zegnat Will have a look at your cite&entry
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[kevinmarks] That's a solid example
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Zegnat Reading the discussion at https://indieweb.org/comments#Markup_Issues suggests to me that the h-cite and h-entry was more of an either-not-both distinction: external comments are h-cite, native comments are h-entry.
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Zegnat Curious to hear why you went with the double type, [pfefferle]! Maybe update the discussion on the wiki too?
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[kevinmarks] I can see where wrapping comments in a h-feed and so giving the h-entry would make sense
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Zegnat Does that still make sense with the indieweb recommendation of using a comment property on your h-entry though?
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Zegnat (https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_markup)
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Zegnat “no need for h-feed” is specifically mentioned: http://microformats.org/wiki/comment-brainstorming#microformats2_p-comment_h-entry
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Loqi Brainstorming for a Comment Microformat
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[kevinmarks] Hmm. I was thinking of the subscribe to comments case, but maybe salmentions make that less important
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Zegnat Actually the brainstorming page seems to list two proposals, one being h-feed and one going without. It seems the indieweb wiki went on to recommend the non-h-feed one. We may need to survey the actual implementations to see what is working.
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[kevinmarks] The advantage of h-feed would be that you could give it a name etc too, for the subscribe to comments case
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Zegnat What would that be? .h-entry > .e-comments.h-feed > .h-entry (and/or h-cite)
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[kevinmarks] Yes. I know WordPress and some other blogs do an atom feed per post for comments, though I don't know how used that is.
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sknebel I use that very occasionally
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[jgmac1106] [kevinmarks] I create an rss feed for comments on all student blogs to track interaction in class. When people teach with RSS they usually do the same. One feed per student, one feed per student comments
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[kevinmarks] one per post?
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[kevinmarks] so having h-feed in the comments markup to give it a name could be useful if you subscribe to it with an indie reader?
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[jgmac1106] would be critical, if my vision of the indiereader LMS were to come to fruition
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[jgmac1106] or I just subscribe by RSS and match the comments to student but with h-feed it could go right in a reader
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bdesham OK, it sounds like I *should* be okay with pretending that the "type" is single-valued
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bdesham I will proceed that way and change things later if necessary :)
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bdesham Thank you all for the discussion Zegnat pfefferle kevinmarks
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[kevinmarks] Do try pfefferle's example ought
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KartikPrabhu the microformats G+ group is full of spam now https://plus.google.com/communities/116979164264857975264
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aaronpk I don't know if that counts as "full of"
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aaronpk I see legit posts from 2013 then all of a sudden two spam posts
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aaronpk I completely forgot about that group. apparently I am a member
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[jgmac1106] It happened in all my groups, but as soon as I blocked a few people it all went away, It was spam of the worst order in every teacher group
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aaronpk wow
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gRegorLove Someone could share the recent posts from microformats.org there, though they're almost a year old.
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aaronpk are any google+ communities not just spam now?
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gRegorLove cat photos are never spam (though the attached link, yeah) :)
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gRegorLove Heh, fair question
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aaronpk lol google doesn't quite understand what "mute" means
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2018-04-25-15-34-25-DNxoWrwRPX.jpg
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gRegorLove There's one for Feedly that's mostly support requests and helping each other.
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aaronpk "muted" but they're still showing me those posts like normal posts
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gRegorLove Reported as spam and it hid the post for me
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aaronpk refresh the page
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gRegorLove Hah
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