#microformats 2018-06-08

2018-06-08 UTC
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@silly_phrases church-going microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1004946826418630656)
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uf-wiki-visitor Shall I use hListing microformate on website?
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[kevinmarks] If it expresses what you need, sure
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[kevinmarks] You may want to use http://microformats.org/wiki/h-listing unless you have a specific service in mind that expects the older format
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Loqi h-listing draft
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uf-wiki-visitor and ok is h-listing being used by any search engines for indexing?
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chrisaldrich Is it just me or is microformats.org down at the moment?
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gRegorLove Not just you. http://isup.me/microformats.org
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aaronpk whoa how long has it been down?
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sknebel today? maybe an hour or so?
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sknebel has been having issues the entire week though
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aaronpk :-/
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gRegorLove I hope it's not related to the old MediaWiki install there. I'd love to help getting that upgraded.
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tantek_ gRegorLove noted! And appreciated! Let me check on current state first
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@geekgiant I also remember when @T and @chrismessina came up with microformats and the concept of hashtags... (twitter.com/_/status/1005184350227390466)
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tantek thanks for the heads-up folks, couldn't find any obviously wrong, so tried rebooting
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tantek gRegorLove: that's definitely one of the things in http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#ongoing, and you've clearly helped out with microformats quite a bit in the channel and github, so yes I'd like to get your help. let me propose it to the other admins (Phae et al) and see what they say
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tantek gRegorLove: in the mean time, is there anything else on microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do that you think you could help with that doesn't require privileged server access per se?
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tantek aaronpk, is the IndieAuth for MediaWiki plugin something we could try installing on microformats.org? do you know what minimum version of MediaWiki it depends on?
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tantek edited /admin-to-do (-430) "/* waiting for */ IndieAuth plugin, not OpenID" (view diff)
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aaronpk I ended up rewriting that plugin to be tiny, it offloads most of the work to indielogin.com and an nginx integrated micro service now
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/mediawiki-extensions/blob/master/LassoAuth.php
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tantek gRegorLove: in general http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do could use some triage if you have ideas on what is the most important if you want to help start a prioritized list at the top
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tantek LassoAuth?
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aaronpk The good thing is it has almost no code now so it’ll be easy to keep up t date with media wiki changes, the bad thing is it requires running a go app on the server too
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tantek on the mediawiki server
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tantek ?
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aaronpk Yea or at least on a server that shares a subdomain
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aaronpk i could run it on a microformats.org sub domain on the indieweb server for example
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aaronpk they completely changed the way the auth system in media wiki worked between that MW version and current, and i did not want to dig into the details to make it work.
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@e_c3m Est ce que quelqu'un sait comment avoir sa box de recherche (moteur de recherche interne) présent dans les SERP au niveau des sitelinks ? Est ce les microformats ? merci pour votre aide :) (twitter.com/_/status/1005193102104113155)
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@PressMyWeb Est ce que quelqu'un sait comment avoir sa box de recherche (moteur de recherche interne) présent dans les SERP au niveau des sitelinks ? Est ce les microformats ? merci pour votre aide :) (twitter.com/_/status/1005193116566147074)
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tantek_ ok
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tantek edited /admin-to-do (+15) "/* waiting for */ depends on mw upgrade" (view diff)
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tantek edited /hcard-brainstorming (+1) "name update" (view diff)
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tantek created /Template:instead (+102) "see instead template to redirect folks manually to replacement offsite resources" (view diff)
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[cjwillcock] is there any activity around extending the HTML spec to include a _meta_ global attribute for elements? Anything similar (or previously shot down)? My specific use case: for the exclusive purpose of including machine-readable data. Contrast this with the current _class_ global attribute, which may or may not have machine-readable data there.
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tantek edited /hcomment (+39) "name update, see instead" (view diff)
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tantek edited /comment-brainstorming (+75) "see instead indieweb.org/reply and comments" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Cwillcock is data no good?
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[cjwillcock] no - data is only for run-time / in UA purposes
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[cjwillcock] https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/dom.html#embedding-custom-non-visible-data-with-the-data-attributes
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gRegorLove [cjwillcock], Looking for alternate places to put the microformat class names?
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[cjwillcock] I probably didn't state that exactly right, but you can confirm with the spec
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[cjwillcock] that would be one obvious use case yes
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[cjwillcock] my realizing that data- didn't fit the purpose was another motivator
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gRegorLove Yeah, there's an FAQ on why not the data- element: http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q._Why_don.27t_microformats_use_the_HTML5_data-_attributes_to_embed_data.3F
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Loqi Microformats FAQ
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gRegorLove I'm not sure of other alternatives.
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[cjwillcock] from the spec: "For generic extensions that are to be used by multiple independent tools, _either this specification should be extended to provide the feature explicitly_ ..."
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gRegorLove All the existing parsers are based on class attribute
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[kevinmarks] I misunderstood what you were asking. What is wrong with class then?
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[cjwillcock] Not taking that bait! 🙂 I am not in the situation that I believe something is wrong with how class is defined, nor used nor with microformats(2). Rather, I am encouraged that there is an opportunity to separate concerns by removing those tokens which the UA should ignore from class; from being processed by run-time facilities (css stuff, javascript stuff) such as a document.getElementsByClassName(), and similar.
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[cjwillcock] Just thinking through a lot of this for the first time these past days #indiewebnoob
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