#microformats 2018-06-09
2018-06-09 UTC
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@snowcloneminute He may be a microformats, but he's our microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1005304443825315845)
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gRegorLove [cjwillcock], reading your starting-with-wordpress notes. microformats2 parsers are backwards compatible, so a microformats1 hentry will be upgraded to h-entry. That's what you're seeing on indiewebify.me
# gRegorLove I don't know if you've seen this yet, but pin13.net will show you the parsed output. pin13.net/mf2 will let you do direct HTML input, too.
# gRegorLove Here's an example of microformats1 backcompat parsing: http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180609184155625
# gRegorLove If your page has mf2, the parser *should* ignore mf1 properties within it. Backcompat parsing only happens if it's an mf1 root.
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[cjwillcock] [gregorlove] Thank you. If you are familiar with the indieweb/wordpress-uf2 plugin, it's putting an h-entry on <body>, and moving hentry to <body> as well. I will need to do my own testing, but in your view, might it be better to leave hentry as-is and only add the h-entry?
# gRegorLove Which element they appear on isn't too important, but yes it's important they appear on the same element if you're using both. I'm not too familiar with wordpress-uf2
# gRegorLove The backcompat parsing rules would treat a .hentry found *inside* an .h-entry as a child microformat and use the backcompat parsing on that child .hentry
# [cjwillcock] aha, so an mf2 root doesn't create an mf2-only context - the parser may still upgrade mf1 roots
# [cjwillcock] within the mf2 root
# [cjwillcock] there's really no way for me to indicate that I want all mf1 tokens to be ignored
# [cjwillcock] sknebel++
# [cjwillcock] gRegorLove++
# [cjwillcock] thanks, very helpful
# gRegorLove Yep, expanded example: http://pin13.net/mf2/?id=20180609192026554
# gRegorLove If you have `.h-entry .hentry` on the same element, mf1 properties will be ignored, as long as there isn't a child mf root.
# [cjwillcock] list of mf1 roots for reference? I'm searching the microformats.org wiki now
# gRegorLove WP should, I think, only be adding .hentry root mf1
# gRegorLove Unless it's some specialized theme
# [cjwillcock] example: vcard, is that a root
# [cjwillcock] I really thought I had a better handle on this, lol. Only when you try to talk about it do you realize
# gRegorLove Hehe, mf2 definitely made it simpler
# gRegorLove Yes, the hCard spec uses class 'vcard'
# gRegorLove Sorry, forgot about that one. I'd expect WP themes to have hEntry and hCard
# [cjwillcock] that's my troublemaker in the WP twentyseventeen theme, vcard
# gRegorLove Gotcha. Using this post for example? http://cjwillcock.ca/2018/06/08/a-little-adventure-begins-here/
# gRegorLove The parsed author property there looks good.
# [cjwillcock] Right, in this case I modified the the wordpress-uf2 plugin to include my u-photo in the vcard context that the theme uses
# [cjwillcock] and as you or sknebel said, u-photo is not a requirement -more of a snapshot of what was once a suggested way to go
# [cjwillcock] I think I'll go back to my starting-with-WP work, and try to emphasis the indiewebify.me 'full green' much less so - well something to think about as I get back there
# gRegorLove .u-photo in an .h-card is still recommended, if you're showing a photo
# gRegorLove The `author vcard` at the top of the post is being parsed as a child microformat and a bit incorrectly
# gRegorLove Okay, sounds good. Feel free to ask any questions :)
# [cjwillcock] yes, I don't want to misquote - it was that the h-card is not necessary there, as a simple <a class='u-author' href="..."> would do
# gRegorLove Ah, yes
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