#microformats 2018-09-28

2018-09-28 UTC
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@holyholybot Holy microformats! #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1045606869883121664)
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@webmandesigneu Auberge and Auberge Plus 2.5.3, Forstron 1.8.1, Icelander 1.3.2, Monument Valley 1.6.1 and Q'tron 1.8.1 are minor theme updates fixing RTL stylesheets loading, improving markup and removing microformats in favor of more flexible plugin solutions. (twitter.com/_/status/1045724126630105094)
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2018/09/28/thoughts-about-assertion-workflows/ - So what microformat represents an assertion or endorsement or do we need a new one?
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GWG tantek: I linked to it?
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GWG I wrote it out
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GWG Or tried to
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tantek ok to create a page which just links to your post instead of copying it
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GWG https://indieweb.org/indorsements - You meant the indieweb wiki, right, tantek?
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GWG Will redirect
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GWG I just had that page
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GWG https://indieweb.org/Assertion
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GWG https://indieweb.org/assertion - Help wanted?
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[kevinmarks] assertion << rel=me is an identity assertion /rel-me
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KartikPrabhu are there any examples of "assertion" or are we making this up?
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KartikPrabhu or are there any use-cases?
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sknebel GWG's article goes into a bit more detail for a use case
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GWG I do. I added more
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GWG I'm being broad because we came up with several use cases
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KartikPrabhu this seems too broad like "share"
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GWG Well, the use cases have specific names.
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GWG Badges, References, Etc
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GWG Verification
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GWG KartikPrabhu: The same way that sharing can be a like, bookmark, etc... There are types of assertions, but how do you assert something allows the building of that.
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KartikPrabhu I would assert something by posting on my site. not sure why a special verb is needed
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KartikPrabhu but carry on
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GWG In [jgmac1106]'s use case, he wants to issue a badge and have an audit trail with a webmention.
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GWG Me posting a link doesn't define completion of a task, for example.
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@shimabukuro Do you remember Microformats ? (twitter.com/_/status/1045782968541663232)
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gRegorLove In GWG's first scenario, I think the h-review could set u-in-reply-to to A and B
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gRegorLove Not sure assert-of is needed
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GWG You are replying to both the criteria and the person's fulfillment of it?
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gRegorLove What would a consumer of assert-of do with the assert-of value?
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GWG Tell the difference between what the criteria are and what is fulfilling them?
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GWG Does your suggestion address that?
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gRegorLove That seems vague. What does A actually do with that differentiation? An mvp h-review for that scenario would seem to be "Student completed A with B" in-reply-to both A and B.
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gRegorLove Then A and B both have a record of the assertion.
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gRegorLove I'm thinking primarily of A as the consumer of the proposed new property. That's what's vague to me.
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GWG What if I'm the student and I wanted to show that my teacher certified my work?
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4whtE8M.jpg
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gRegorLove shh loqi
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gRegorLove You have the "Student completed" reply on your homework with link to the Professor's original post
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GWG Can you rephrase that?
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gRegorLove I might have misunderstood the scope of your question, but if you want to show that the teacher certified your work, you have the professor's reply on your homework post with whatever message they wrote "GWG completed the criteria"
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gRegorLove And you can click through to see the professor's original assertion post to verify it's legit, not just some comment you wrote on your own homework :)
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GWG And if the student wants to consume it as something more than a reply?
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GWG Like show a check mark?
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gRegorLove Hmm
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GWG The issue is that it isn't consumed as a reply
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gRegorLove Clarifying question: is an assertion always positive? E.g. if the prof uses this assert-of and references B, does that mean B has met the criteria in A? Or can the prof assert "no, didn't meet the criteria"
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GWG I hadn't considered that
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GWG But probably like an rsvp
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gRegorLove If they're already sending an h-review, seems there should be some h-review property that can be used/re-used to convey the meaning that the homework met or didn't meet the criteria
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GWG p-rating - value from 1-5 indicating a rating for the item (5 best).
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GWG p-worst - define worst rating value. can be numerically higher than best.
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GWG p-best - define best rating value. can be numerically lower than worst.
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gRegorLove rating = 0, fail; rating = 1, pass
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GWG As well as p-item
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tantek__ gRegorLove++ re-use existing microformats
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Loqi gRegorLove has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (108 in all channels)
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GWG tantek__: Rating isn't binary though
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GWG It says 1-5
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gRegorLove You can change the scale
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GWG How do you represent it must be true/false?
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tantek__ I believe that's a (hash)tag
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tantek__ you can tag any item using a review
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gRegorLove Set p-best to 1, p-worst to 0.
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GWG p-item is the item you are reviewing. That is a tag.
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GWG Did I misunderstand?
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gRegorLove I didn't follow the (hash)tag bit
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tantek__ no p-item is markup that results in an item property
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tantek__ the markup for a (hash)tag is p-category
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tantek__ so for example you could review a restaurant and tag it "family-friendly"
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gRegorLove Ah, so tag the review as "pass" or "fail"?
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GWG So, this would be an h-review with a rating or a tag, but what property is the criteria and what is the completion of the criteria?
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GWG in-reply-to and -item?
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GWG That might work
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gRegorLove Maybe. Re-using properties is definitely the recommended way to start
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gRegorLove The p-category for pass/fail feels a bit weird to me, but could work (not sure I understood tantek correctly there)
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tantek__ to be clear, if you say <span class="p-category">fail</span> in a review you are literally labeling the item being reviewed as a fail
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[kevinmarks] You could rate it with a US GPA value
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[kevinmarks] Or a percentage
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[kevinmarks] Letter grades would be trickier
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[kevinmarks] I'm a bit warier off abstract assertions
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[kevinmarks] The other prior art to look at could be activity streams - Jira use them to mark up issues and fixes
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GWG I would think item is the work and in reply to the criteria
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