#microformats 2019-10-30

2019-10-30 UTC
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[tantek]
I like a good adactio takedown
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Loqi
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@kevinmarks
↩️ You could use a microdata itemscope/itemtype , or class="google-no-snippets" if you wanted a microformats-like model.
(twitter.com/_/status/1189348007109681155)
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[snarfed]
hi again all! another q on the nascent p-size attribute: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/issues/169#issuecomment-546796812
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Loqi
[snarfed] hmm, our examples of `p-size` in the wild are both human-readable strings, eg `62.2 MB`, but that may not work. all other places we need size, [notably RSS `length`](http://www.rssboard.org/rss-specification#ltenclosuregtSubelementOfLtitemgt), need t...
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[snarfed]
should we maybe do something similar to p-rsvp, eg <data class="p-size" value="1234">1KB</data> ? so humans still see the human-readable approximation, but mf2 parsers get the exact integer from value?
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[snarfed]
(for consumers that need the exact number of bytes)
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aaronpk
That sounds reasonable, tho I can imagine plenty of cases where the author may not give the exact size in bytes anyway
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aaronpk
but at least in your instructions for converting to a podcast feed you can tell people to give exact bytes
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sknebel
At the risk of bikeshedding, is "filesize" maybe a better name? E.g. size could also be resolution
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aaronpk
Probably, where is that property being proposed/discussed?
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aaronpk
tho resolution is probably better off using "resolution" too :-)
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[KevinMarks]
what do RSS and Atom call the property?
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[snarfed]
it's length in both RSS and Atom, but that's ambiguous since it could also refer to duration (ie time length)
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[snarfed]
all examples in the wild independently converged on size, so i'm going to stick with that, at least for now
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[schmarty]
convergence++ snarfed++
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Loqi
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Loqi
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aaronpk
heh yeah length is way worse
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[tantek]
both of those are too generic to be useful in a specific context without screwing up all other specific contexts
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[tantek]
better to pick something more specific for the use-case(s) you're aiming for
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[tantek]
(both 'size' and 'length' that is)
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[tantek]
"bytes" would seem to be ok, at least for "size", as I think that maps to size of constructs in programming languages so there is that precedent
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[tantek]
"length" however tends to be in the context of string length which can be in terms of (unicode) "characters", which are a variable number of bytes, AKA grapheme clusters etc.
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[tantek]
RSS and Atom are poor prior art for this as neither had a a successful extension ecology. Podcasts where about it. Even with the big Google attempting to extend Atom, all of its efforts failed.
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[tantek]
length also has much more common parlance in web dev as CSS lengths which are physical dimensional units
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[snarfed]
ok, https://granary.io/ now emits mf2 p-size in <data> elements with both integer bytes and human-readable string approximations, as described above, eg <data class="p-size" value="17410000">17.41 MB</data>
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[snarfed]
and it handles both integer bytes and human-readable string approximations as p-size input
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[snarfed]
generally i position granary/bridgy as (late) followers in mf2 property names, ie they follow majority in the wild, but i'm happy to switch them to a different mf2 property name if enough other people lead that
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gRegorLove
[snarfed]++ awesome!
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Loqi
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gRegorLove
re "independently converged" ... aka I copied aaronpk :D
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[jgmac1106]
snarfed++ can't wait to have the time to update
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Loqi
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