#microformats 2019-10-29

2019-10-29 UTC
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[Bradley_Allen] Thank you [tantek]! I'll see you this Wednesday.
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Also, http://chat.indieweb.org is good for this - available as Web, slack, irc and matrix. There are #microformats and #dev channels to help (twitter.com/_/status/1189108647592415232)
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[KevinMarks] Hi Matt and welcome
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[Matt_Hobbs] Hi [KevinMarks], thanks for letting me know about the slack channel (and the tips given on Twitter) 🙂
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[KevinMarks] Loqi checks twitter for microformats and indieweb references so we can go help out
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[Matt_Hobbs] I'm just looking at this from a a11y screenreader POV. Is repeating the same author for each entry going to become repetitive / annoying?
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[Matt_Hobbs] I believe I already know the answer to this, but can you add a link to a `h-card` in microformats? For example you have a feed on a page that are all the same author. Do you need to repeat the author information for each `h-entry`? Or can you link you a single `h-card`?
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[Matt_Hobbs] Ah I can't edit the message. I should have said "Can you link to a single `h-card` that exists somewhere on the page.
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[jgmac1106] [Matt_Hobbs] do you mean as the author of a post or being able to chare a link to yoru h-card?
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[Matt_Hobbs] As the author of the post:
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[Matt_Hobbs] `h-feed` with multiple `h-entry`, all with the same `h-card` for the author
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[jgmac1106] What is authoring?
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[jgmac1106] What is authorship?
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/authorship
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[jgmac1106] basically yes you can
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[Matt_Hobbs] Thanks for the link, I'll take a read through that and work out how best to do it :thumbsup:
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[jgmac1106] yeah sorry to drop link and run...got to get kids ready for school...and I haven't ironed out the kinks on my own site 100% yet but I use the blank author pointing to the h-card
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[jgmac1106] check out as well: https://indieweb.org/h-card#Issues
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[jgmac1106] ohh btw because of all the bridges to other chat channels the community doesn't use threads as much
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[KevinMarks] There's a (somewhat complicated ) authorship algorithm, based on how people mark things up: https://indieweb.org/authorship
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[KevinMarks] oh, I was scrolled up
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[tantek] no. authorship is for consuming code authors, not for publishers
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] [KevinMarks]
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[tantek] Also, the IndieWeb # dev channel is probably better for specific questions about how to markup entries and authors, and multiple entries with the same author
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[tantek] Since that's a specific use of microformats 🙂
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[jgmac1106] thx what article would we point people towards them when they say, "I don't want my name and photo in every h-entry can we pull the h-card in from somewhere else?
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/authorship always seems to have the best advice on how to markup pages for this use case
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[tantek] let's take that to the meta channel please
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[tantek] greetings microformats developers, I would like to land this change to the spec inline with a "coming soon" caveat to get it more exposure towards making it official: https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/3
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Loqi [voxpelli] #3 Parse language information
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[tantek] in particular if you are using php-mf2 in your code, *please* enable the flag for lang parsing and report back your results per https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/3#issuecomment-400498161
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Loqi [gRegorLove] php-mf2 supports this behind a feature flag as of 0.3.2 https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/releases/tag/v0.3.2 microformat-shiv supports this as of 2.0 https://github.com/glennjones/microformat-shiv/issues/22 Still pending confirmation from a ...
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[tantek] gRegorLove could you note that in the issue re: pin13 and php.microformats.io?
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gRegorLove Sure
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[tantek] [Lewis_Cowles] I think you're asking HTML authoring questions rather than actual interactions with microformats parsing in your comment
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[tantek] happy to answer here, however it's kind of a tangent for that issue
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[Lewis_Cowles] Oh. I was looking at the examples given
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[Lewis_Cowles] apologies
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[tantek] it's ok to ask about the examples, just tangential and better asked somewhere for HTML discussions in general rather than a specific microformats parsing issue
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[tantek] in this case I was only correcting the lang attr in the one example given, without changing the content, because it should be presumed that the author did mean what they said in the content (title attr is part of content from a user perspective)
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[tantek] debates about whether the content itself is right or wrong is even more tangential
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[Lewis_Cowles] okay thank you
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[Lewis_Cowles] Might be worth noting that on GitHub so future me doesn't forget
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[Lewis_Cowles] https://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/ also answers my question RE: sub-document lang's. It is apparently encouraged
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Loqi [Richard Ishida] Authoring HTML: Language declarations
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[tantek] [Lewis_Cowles] ++ for finding the right reference 🙂
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@adactio ↩️ The spec is literally the reason why microformats2 didn’t end up using `data-*` attributes. It isn’t “advice” in the spec; it *is* the spec. It specifies how `data-*` attributes should and shouldn’t be used. https://adactio.com/notes/16046 (twitter.com/_/status/1189330844290297856)