#microformats 2020-01-21
2020-01-21 UTC
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@thibpat I'm back from the Barbados, learning more about HTML microformats! https://twitch.tv/thibpat https://t.co/MC7aMiHLpr (twitter.com/_/status/1219521133109706752)
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@FredericJutant ↩️ @googlewmc Hi @googlewmc, will you continue to support & display structured data with http://microformats.org ? Thanks! (twitter.com/_/status/1219567755118174208)
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@JohnMu ↩️ We don't have any plans for changes to announce there at the moment. I don't know off-hand how broadly microformats are used, my guess is it's much more than data-vocabulary. That said ... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=microformats,data-vocabulary,schema.org (twitter.com/_/status/1219597542318538752)
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Loqi [@googlewmc] With the increasing usage and popularity of http://schema.org we decided to focus our development on a single scheme. As of April 6, 2020, http://data-vocabulary.org markup will no longer be eligible for Google rich result features. Read more at https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/01/data-vocabulary.html https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOzEmGcWkAE3vAY.jpg
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@JasonNeel ↩️ @ChrisFerdinandi This is one reason why I have always preferred @microformats over this. It's much more straightforward in my mind. (twitter.com/_/status/1219628210801070080)
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@ChrisFerdinandi ↩️ @JasonNeel @microformats Is that what they use on WordPress? I know I've seen this before. (twitter.com/_/status/1219654054680449024)
# @JasonNeel ↩️ Hmm, that’s a good question. I don’t have nearly any experience with WordPress so I can’t really say with any certainty that they use it there. But I know it’s used in a lot of IndieWeb patterns: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Add_microformats_to_your_content (twitter.com/_/status/1219655473584099328)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ WordPress used older version of microformats, but not any more. Still find few pieces hanging in core, lot more in different themes.
For the best #IndieWeb WordPress experience use a community built theme or add microformats to yours (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2l5GHx) (twitter.com/_/status/1219657044090937345)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ There is a microformats plugin but success with it is theme specific, you can try it on your theme and stop by #IndieWeb chat for help seeing if it works. But best bet, as I said, is use a community built theme so we know the metadata correct (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1L3Lt3) (twitter.com/_/status/1219657871727767554)
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@cswordpress Google finally realizes it created a trashfire. They should just support Microformats 2, much easier to construct and therefore use. https://twitter.com/googlewmc/status/1219565763759165441 (twitter.com/_/status/1219659841100242944)
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@suzukik @JohnMu @googlewmc @danbri What about microformats? Do you still support the markup?
https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2020/01/data-vocabulary.html (twitter.com/_/status/1219714852505014272)
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[tantek] At the time (2009) they said they did not want to "pick winners" or "only support microformats" so they literally made-up data-vocabulary.org *just* so they could claim to "also support RDFa": http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/05/google-announces-support-for-m.html
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@nystudio107 ↩️ 3/2 Additionally, it's much easier to *generate* JSON-LD because it isn't tied to the HTML structure.
So the tooling is much better in terms of tools that can dynamically or statically generate the JSON-LD for you, based on your inputs.
Doing that with microformats is not easy (twitter.com/_/status/1219750071652245512)
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[Michael_Beckwit i’m glad i logged in during my work day today, that data-vocabulary post answered a newly sent in client ticket
# @nystudio107 ↩️ Well, nothing is ideal, everything is varying layers of suck.
But given the choice between JSON-LD and itemprop= microformats, it's no contest. JSON-LD is just a much more sane, manageable format in practice.
Just my two cents from using them both. (twitter.com/_/status/1219753186602426368)
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KartikPrabhu RDF not microformats
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