#microformats 2021-05-14

2021-05-14 UTC
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@kalanKDavis ↩️ It has been a lifetime since i've cataloged microformats and govdocs, but i learned during an all-staff meeting yesterday that the words "CIS microfiche" still send agues of fear and despair through my body. (twitter.com/_/status/1393181371116392451)
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[dianoetic_net] ...what does the `h-*` stand for?
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GWG [dianoetic_net]: https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes
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GWG Does that help?
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[KevinMarks] It kind of stood for html originally in mf1, as we were mapping other formats into html, so vcard to hcard, icalendar to hcalendar Atom to hAtom
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[KevinMarks] So with mf2 it became h- when we made prefixes with a hyphen
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[dianoetic_net] HTML makes sense! I don’t think it's written down anywhere
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GWG [dianoetic_net]: I didn't realize you meant literally...I thought you wanted more details on the description.
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@Rommudoh So, once again, I have redone my homepage. This time using Cryogen. https://vgai.de/posts/redone-again/ #Cryogen #IndieWeb #Clojure #microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1393296498193059844)
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[fluffy] Question about h-feed/h-entry: is there any provision for a GUID-type identifier for items to prevent duplication if an item’s URL needs to change? That’s the one thing that I feel like RSS and Atom still do better than h-feed, and for me it’s a pretty big one.
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aaronpk there is u-uid
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[fluffy] Ah, cool.
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aaronpk i don't know how well supported that is in practice
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[fluffy] Yeah I was about to ask… but I mean, it exists, so when/if I ever get around to writing my own feed reader I’ll definitely want to use that as an item identifier if it’s available.
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[fluffy] and I guess that’s a thing I can add to my own h-feed stuff on my site 🙂
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[fluffy] The microformats wiki says that uid is ‘core’ at least, so it’s not like it’s a fringe implementation detail, in theory.
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[fluffy] (and to be fair a LOT of RSS feeds just use the item URL as the <guid>, completely defeating the point to having a declared uid…)
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[fluffy] oh, actually, since it’s a u-type, how is it intended to be associated to the entry? href doesn’t make sense for this.
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[fluffy] (Have I just stumbled upon why nobody does it?)
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aaronpk well the property name isn't tied 1:1 to prefixes
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aaronpk but the most common usage in the wild is using it for the canonical URL, so you'd use u- for that
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aaronpk but you could do p-uid just as well as long as consumers aren't expecting it to actually be a url
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aaronpk remember the parsed result doesn't have the prefix so all that shows up in the JSON version of the page is "uid"
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[fluffy] yeah, but then it becomes visible without hiding it in CSS, which means that non-CSSish agents start to render it, which isn’t ideal. But http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_a_u-_property has other options that I’m trying to wrap my head around.
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aaronpk whether it's visible also has nothing to do with the prefix or property name
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[fluffy] so I guess `<data class="u-uid" value="askjdflsajflasjlas">` would work?
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aaronpk data p-uid
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aaronpk i don't think u- is defined for data elements
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sknebel it is
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[fluffy] right but I mean if it’s p-whatever that implies it’d be like `<span class="p-uid">alskdjflajla</span>` right?
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sknebel no
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aaronpk the prefix is literally just an instruction to the parser of where to get the value from
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[fluffy] yeah, I get that, and I thought p- meant “get it from the plain text”
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sknebel your data class thing, but with p-uid
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aaronpk p => plain text, where plain text is dependent on the HTML tag
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[fluffy] okay, yeah, I see that p- works on data value= too
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sknebel (u-uid will get resolved as a URL, you don't want that)
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[fluffy] aha
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[fluffy] okay so that’s the disconnect. thanks.
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aaronpk https://php.microformats.io/?id=20210514230203662
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aaronpk https://php.microformats.io/?id=20210514230230357
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[fluffy] Okay yeah pin13.net at least accepts <data class=“p-uid” value=“asdkjflaskjflasd”>, thanks everyone
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[fluffy] yeah I was just testing that on my actual site templates 🙂
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