#microformats 2021-06-21

2021-06-21 UTC
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[tantek] GWG, where do you feel you're stuck with things in draft as compared to the process for advancing them?
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GWG The fact that many things have not advanced. h-event and h-feed are still drafts, for one.
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[tantek] GWG, re-read my question
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[tantek] beyond *which* drafts
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[tantek] to emphasize, GWG, I would like to see h-event and h-feed advance as well. my question to you is, besides the frustration that "someone else hasn't done the work", have you looked into what is needed to advance them, and if so, where did you personally get stuck?
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[tantek] (genuine question, I'm trying to debug the process of broader participation in advancing specs, and you're my test case 🙂 )
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[tantek] we need to solve that more than any one spec, because we're all volunteer-time-limited
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GWG There are a lot of steps and no examples
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[tantek] that's a general statement. is there a particular step you're stuck on?
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GWG Okay, so let's take a concrete example. H-event. I want to do something.. I have no idea where to start
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GWG I thought we were close
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GWG I think if the process had some concrete examples, it would feel less daunting to people to chip in
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tantek edited /irc (-148) "dedup some, drop some older non-current links" (view diff)
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tantek edited /h-event (-35) "editorial: fragments for status and participate, dedup IRC line" (view diff)
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tantek edited /h-entry (+49) "editorial: fragments for status and participate, dedup IRC line, note explicitly in participate that change control can be used to advance the spec (already implied from Status section)" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, re: "I have no idea where to start", not even the spec URL? 😉
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GWG Doesn't tell me how to accomplish the goal of moving out of draft
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tantek edited /h-event (+30) "feedback is on issues, no longer on wiki for h-event" (view diff)
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tantek edited /h-event (+147) "Advance the spec issue / blocker" (view diff)
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[tantek] GWG, right, closest is https://microformats.org/wiki/h-event#participate and that only tells you how to file issue and participate. Looks like I never updated h-event to use the change control because we have an explicit issue open on that!
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[tantek] Now linked in https://microformats.org/wiki/h-event#participate
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GWG [tantek]: Would you be able to comment on the last remark in that issue you referenced?
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[tantek] GWG, indeed that issue is clearly where we got stuck!
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[tantek] GWG, I remember reading your comment before and thinking it sounded reasonable — if we thought the change control process was/is working for h-entry
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[tantek] so that begs that question, do you think the change control process is working for h-entry? or are things similarly or differently "stuck" there?
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[tantek] in other words, before generalizing a process like that, we should make sure it is working well in the specific current instance(s)!
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GWG [tantek]: The idea of it is...the practice, not so much
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GWG We had some good comments on that last year
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[tantek] GWG, so really we should push through figuring out h-entry issues, and noting where the process is ambiguous or otherwise unclear, before generalizing it to h-event
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GWG Then maybe I will sit down and reread it and take notes
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[tantek] GWG, maybe pick the h-entry issue most important to you, and we can start analyzing what might be blocking it from a process perspective
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GWG [tantek]: Can we successfully execute outside of real time?
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[tantek] GWG, I think there are aspects that a bit of async exploration may help to unstick
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GWG I will try
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[tantek] if so, there's a good chance we can clear away at least some things so that the time we do spend in "real time" is much more effectively spent
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[tantek] same here 🙂
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[tantek] like even just that little back/forth about h-event helped surface *where* it's stuck (issue 1, whether to use same process as h-entry)
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[tantek] and got me to take a look and fix some other editorial issues
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[tantek] (which I really should do for the other specs as well, perhaps with some templates to save time 🙂 )
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