#microformats 2021-06-30

2021-06-30 UTC
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[KevinMarks] Seeing Google as a single entity rather than an endless squabble over resources is also a mistake
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[jacky] but one pitched by the entity itself
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[tantek] KevinMarks, nothing about what tw2113 said presumes single entity
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[tantek] I mean, multiple entities inside Google "made their own standard and strong armed the internet"
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[tantek] AMP, Schema, data-vocabulary, etc.
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[jacky] and as far as people looking outwards in, it _is_ one entity (all either prefixed or stamped by one)
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@TedMielczarek ↩️ Yeah, definitely. On the web I think microformats served this niche and dovetailed nicely with HTML5. My former colleague @t was heavily involved in that scene. This about page spells it out pretty nicely: http://microformats.org/wiki/about (twitter.com/_/status/1410105644758282240)
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sknebel ah, before the islands it was in microdata and such? I thought schema had only come up afterwards
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@rnewman ↩️ The clarity of the idea — that the semantic web is a soup of subgraphs where both nodes and links in the graph are identified by URIs — was obscured by syntax, embedding, microformats, OWL, … (twitter.com/_/status/1410209813498273795)
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[tantek] sknebel, right, before JSONLD islands it was microdata and before that an ill-fated attempt at being "neutral" by supporting RDFa with a new made-up domain (data-vocabulary) which predated schema .org as well.
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[tantek] (that domain is dead now btw)
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[tantek] perhaps the idea of semantic web itself was inherently obscure regardless of syntax, formats etc.?
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[schmarty] the "clarity" of an idea where something is a "soup" feels dissonant to me 😅
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@nsfmc ↩️ not sure if you ran into it yet but i think a lot of the folks that stuck around are all hanging out doing work with ActivityPub (unless you are looking for hard ontological rdf microformats folks who seem to all be at google) (twitter.com/_/status/1410272347202875392)
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