#microformats 2021-10-13

2021-10-13 UTC
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capjamesg[d] GWG I just saw a year old issue on the h-feed two about moving the h-feed spec to stable.
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capjamesg[d] I’d love to discuss this more. Maybe this is a topic for a pop up if not already discussed in a recent pop up?
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GWG capjamesg[d]: We cancelled that pop-up
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GWG So not recently
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] yeah I think there's a bunch more work necessary on h-feed to get it to stable.
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[tantek] h-event is closer on that front
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GWG [tantek]: Is there an advantage to stabilization in your experience?
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capjamesg[d] I am curious what that work is.
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capjamesg[d] I am still learning the process.
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GWG capjamesg[d]: So am I and I've been embedded for a while now
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[tantek] GWG, as an implementer, do feel any differences between draft and stable?
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GWG [tantek]: Other than outstanding issues, no
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[tantek] There’s a pretty big difference in process / change control
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capjamesg[d] Can you elaborate?
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KartikPrabhu http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Moving_from_Stage_to_Stage does that answer the question?
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capjamesg[d] I see.
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capjamesg[d] There are still a number of issues to work through.
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capjamesg[d] A pop up may be in order to dive deeper.
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capjamesg[d] And some issues are quite critical like answering whether h-feeds can contain markup like h-event.
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[tantek] capjamesg compare the headers of h-card vs h-event for example
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[tantek] KartikPrabhu I should update the /process page to note the more detailed change control process in stable specifications
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gRegor That stage-to-stage page could probably use some review. Still mentions the mailing list for example.
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KartikPrabhu sure
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gRegor jinx? heh
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capjamesg[d] +1 tantek.
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gRegor h-feeds definitely can have child h-* since the parsers will work with it by default, but yeah formalizing it in the spec will guide publishers and consumers better
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capjamesg[d] I agree. I am sure there are plenty of examples in the wild too.
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capjamesg[d] Feeds of events, h-cards, products, etc. all make sense in the real world.
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capjamesg[d] Example: list of events one plans to attend, an open contacts list / “following” list, a feed of products one is offering.
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capjamesg[d] I actually think Shopify adds RSS feeds for products.
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capjamesg[d] *product listings
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gRegor Yeah, I use h-feed of h-event
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capjamesg[d] So I think it is logical to support such behavior and document it in the spec.
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KartikPrabhu https://events.indieweb.org/ example
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capjamesg[d] Yep!
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capjamesg[d] I am building a search engine and clarity on this in the spec would be useful.
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capjamesg[d] I don’t currently do anything with feeds of events etc. but I can see imminent use cases for such implementations.
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capjamesg[d] Example: reading a feed of h-events and recrawling them all often.
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gRegor Do you do anything with the h-events?
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capjamesg[d] Right now?
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gRegor Yeah
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KartikPrabhu specializing h-feeds on what they contain does not seem like a good idea
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capjamesg[d] Generally, I render them in featured snippets.
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KartikPrabhu h-feed can contain any h-*
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capjamesg[d] KartikPrabhu now I think about it I don’t need to.
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capjamesg[d] Because I read for URLs and then crawl each url.
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KartikPrabhu right
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capjamesg[d] So the aforementioned use case is not necessary. But this means I implicitly support feeds of anything.
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KartikPrabhu h-feed can even contain a mix of differnt h-*
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capjamesg[d] As long as a URL is present.
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capjamesg[d] I had no idea you could do that.
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gRegor Yeah, I think handling h-event alone would be a good starting point, whether it's in a feed or not
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capjamesg[d] Is there an example use case in the wild?
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KartikPrabhu not sure. I was simply thinking of the fact that mf2 parsing does not special case any sub-object of h-feed
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gRegor Using h-feed as an indicator to recrawl the URL more often is a cool idea, though
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capjamesg[d] Yeah. It is super helpful. I do the same with RSS, Atom, and WebSub too.
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capjamesg[d] Just so that I don’t have to recrawl a whole site to find new links.
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[tantek] capjamesg[d], can you file an issue for anything you need "clarity on this in the spec" for now? I have trouble following / keeping track of issues in chat when I'm not actively editing the particular spec 🙂
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[tantek] (as in open in an editor)
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[tantek] thanks!
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capjamesg[d] I think the issues in the spec cover everything for now. I’ll actively add issues when I have them to add.
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capjamesg[d] *issues filed in the spec GitHub Issues page
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[tantek] sounds good!
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[tantek] also comment on existing GH issues if you have further questions on them or suggestions / preferences for how you'd like to see them resolved!
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