#microformats 2022-11-11

2022-11-11 UTC
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[tantek]
lol someone found that page and used it as a citation to explain a joke 😂
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@SamTalksTech
↩️ Surely we can as an industry create a standard XML for contacts. Yes we have hCard and rel=me from microformats but we don’t have a standard interchangeable way to move social graphs because it’s not in the interest of social media companies to enable portability. #fail
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[jacky]
So about ^
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[jacky]
I'm curious now
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[jacky]
what is a social graph
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[jacky]
(loqi must be off today, 4 day work weeks >>)
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aaronpk
no "what is" in #microformats
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[tantek]
In that context “social graph” is an exaggeration what instead should be called an “address book”
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[tantek]
social graph itself is just a rebranding of social network that sounds newer, more academic/technical
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aaronpk
"social network" got coopted by facebook imo
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[tantek]
specifically Zuck's talks at F8 (2008?) about "the social graph", then people couldn't stop mimicking him / his language.
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[snarfed]
I dunno. Social network seems to imply a specific product/UX, while social graph seems more broad
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[snarfed]
Eg a big part of https://indiemap.org/ was mapping out the social graph that emerged from peer to peer indieweb interactions, but I don't think anyone would call IndieWeb a social network
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[snarfed]
semantics though, 🤷‍♂️
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Loqi
Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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aaronpk
the terms have definitely blurred
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[tantek]
snarfed, certainly if you're crawling a web of sites, "graph" is an accurate term
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[tantek]
the problem (exaggeration) is when people talk about my/your "social graph" or worse, "the" social graph (asserting there is only one)
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[KevinMarks]1
I think Brad Fitzpatrick was talking about a social graph first
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[jacky]
it looks like he even says that in reference on page 3 of https://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/social-graph.pdf (linked from that)
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[jacky]
but gonna move this to #indieweb-dev
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