#microformats 2022-11-11

2022-11-11 UTC
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@jmikola ↩️ http://microformats.org/wiki/twitter-syntax (twitter.com/_/status/1590887674092875776)
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[tantek] lol someone found that page and used it as a citation to explain a joke 😂
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@SamTalksTech ↩️ Surely we can as an industry create a standard XML for contacts. Yes we have hCard and rel=me from microformats but we don’t have a standard interchangeable way to move social graphs because it’s not in the interest of social media companies to enable portability. #fail (twitter.com/_/status/1591027747744538626)
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[jacky] So about ^
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[jacky] I'm curious now
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[jacky] what is a social graph
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[jacky] (loqi must be off today, 4 day work weeks >>)
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aaronpk no "what is" in #microformats
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[jacky] bet
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[tantek] In that context “social graph” is an exaggeration what instead should be called an “address book”
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aaronpk heh
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aaronpk true
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[tantek] social graph itself is just a rebranding of social network that sounds newer, more academic/technical
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aaronpk "social network" got coopted by facebook imo
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[tantek] specifically Zuck's talks at F8 (2008?) about "the social graph", then people couldn't stop mimicking him / his language.
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[snarfed] I dunno. Social network seems to imply a specific product/UX, while social graph seems more broad
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[snarfed] Eg a big part of https://indiemap.org/ was mapping out the social graph that emerged from peer to peer indieweb interactions, but I don't think anyone would call IndieWeb a social network
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[snarfed] semantics though, 🤷‍♂️
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Loqi Indie Map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset. 2300 sites, 5.7M pages, 380GB HTML with microformats2. Social graph API and interac...
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aaronpk the terms have definitely blurred
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[tantek] snarfed, certainly if you're crawling a web of sites, "graph" is an accurate term
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[tantek] the problem (exaggeration) is when people talk about my/your "social graph" or worse, "the" social graph (asserting there is only one)
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[snarfed] Sure
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[KevinMarks]1 I think Brad Fitzpatrick was talking about a social graph first
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[KevinMarks]1 https://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/
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[jacky] it looks like he even says that in reference on page 3 of https://bradfitz.com/social-graph-problem/social-graph.pdf (linked from that)
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[jacky] but gonna move this to #indieweb-dev
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