#microformats 2022-11-30

2022-11-30 UTC
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tantek edited /Special:Log/patrol () "marked revision 70586 of [[h-recipe]] patrolled" (view diff)
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[jacky] all hail h-app
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[tantek] it's h-app ening
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[schmarty] bahahahaha
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Loqi [schmarty]: lol
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gRegor hahaha
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btrem @aaronpk @tantek re e-logo, I'm already using that. Don't know if anyone is making use of it, but you can see it here: https://greenbankplants.com/
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Loqi Greenbank Plant Nursery
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[tantek] nice
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btrem Besides e-logo, I'm using an h-card class name on the `text` elements in the svg: `<text class="p-name fn">Greenbank Plant Nursery</text>` (simplified for clarity).
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[tantek] btrem have you tried it with any microformats parsers to see what is extracted?
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[tantek] could make for an interesting test case!
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btrem https://btrem.com/2021/04-svg-microformats
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Loqi [Brian Tremblay] Adding Microformats to SVG
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btrem As I matter of fact, I have. :)
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[tantek] that is very cool btrem++
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Loqi btrem has 2 karma over the last year
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btrem Note that my proof that the text element is getting parsed by search engines doesn't necessarily mean they're parsing the *microformats* therein. It might be paying attention to the text element because its ancestor is `<h1>`.
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btrem I don't know of any way to prove that a microformat is being used in some special way by a search engine.
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[tantek] that's the problem with (most / big / generic) search engines, you can't really prove anything about their behavior
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btrem Right.
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btrem Both ddg and google include the business' address, marked up as h-adr. That would tend to make me think they *are* parsing the h-card. But no way to know for sure.
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[tantek] right, they could be parsing mf2, or they could be running some energy intensive ML-based text scraper
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btrem What is ML?
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btrem (Yes, I know you can't do that here. So I'm actually asking you!)
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[tantek] machine learning
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btrem Ah.
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btrem I'm not sure why aaronpk is leery of e-logo: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2022-11-29/1669743151076000
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btrem Doesn't seem all that different than e-content.
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Loqi [aaronpk] i have no problem with embedded svgs on a website, but when you are talking about transporting them around via microformats that's a bit scarier
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btrem Speaking of microformats and svg: I just learned that microdata attributes are not permitted on svg elements, whereas class is. So if one wants to add machine readable bits of data, microformats is the only way to do that. With the caveat that, again, there's no way to know what e.g. search engines do with any of this stuff. Maybe they process microdata in spite of the spec.
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btrem Is the microformats/microformats.io repo dormant?
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btrem https://github.com/microformats/microformats.io
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Loqi [microformats] microformats.io: Simple explainer site about Microformats.
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aaronpk you can put all sorts of interesting things in an SVG, things that I would be worried about republishing in a reader
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aaronpk HTML sanitization is normal, there's a short list of allowed tags that I support in the reader
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[tantek] aaronpk, at least SVG has well-defined restricted profiles that you can subset to
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aaronpk but if I'm going to be rendering SVGs, i would need to do some sort of SVG sanitization too
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[tantek] HTML sanitization is still non-standard
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[tantek] aaronpk, e.g. https://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny/
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aaronpk like, javascript is allowed in SVGs, that sounds like a great XSS vector
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tantek created /svg (+145) "stub with btrem's post & example!" (view diff)
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[tantek] btrem ^ feel free to expand!
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gRegor btrem, we still use microformats.io, just may not have been updated recently. PRs welcome. There's separate repos for subdomains on there too, like php.microformats.io
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sknebel gRegor I assume btrem asks because of their open
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sknebel PRs :D
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gRegor aha!
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gRegor reviewing :)
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btrem Yes, that's why I was asking.
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btrem I've been working on a complete rewrite of the micformats.io page, removing the bootstrap css stuff, which seems unnecessary for such a simple one page site. And then simplifying the markup. That would make the source code a bit more of a good example of coding with mf.
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btrem But I haven't pushed that yet. I was waiting for the minor changes to be merged.
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@brianwisti ↩️ Not that I found specifically for pytest, but there are numerous microformats2 validators and at least one cross-format handler on PyPI: https://pypi.org/project/granary/ (twitter.com/_/status/1598070100263067650)
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gRegor btrem, merged all but https://github.com/microformats/microformats.io/pull/54, small note and need to resolve branch conflicts, otherwise good
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gRegor btrem++
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Loqi btrem has 3 karma over the last year
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Loqi [btrem] #54 Fixes alt attributes
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gRegor I subscribed to notifications, too. I had it only on 'mentions'
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btrem edited /svg (+411) "Adds simple example of microformats in svg." (view diff)
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btrem Well, I copied/modified the code from another page, and apparently used a deprecated tag `<source>`. Annoyingly, the wiki software doesn't tell me what the /replacement/ is. (grumble grumble)
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btrem gRegor Ah, well I just fixed the PR, but didn't mention you. So you probably don't know. (Well, you do now.) :)
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gRegor btrem, the replacement is <syntaxhighlight lang="html">
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gRegor https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SyntaxHighlight#Supported_languages
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btrem Thanks gRegor++.
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btrem edited /svg (+18) "Fix: replaces deprecated <source> tag with <syntaxhighlight>" (view diff)
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btrem edited /h-card (+80) "Fix: replaces deprecated <source> tag with <syntaxhighlight>" (view diff)
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btrem edited /microformats2-parsing (+54) "Fix: replaces deprecated <source> tag with <syntaxhighlight>" (view diff)
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btrem edited /microformats2-parsing (-11) "Fix: corrects syntaxhightlight lang attributes" (view diff)
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btrem edited /h-recipe (+36) "Fix: replaces deprecated <source> tag with <syntaxhighlight>" (view diff)
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btrem edited /h-recipe (-13) "Fix: corrects syntaxhightlight lang attributes" (view diff)
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btrem edited /existing-rel-values (+72) "Fix: replaces deprecated <source> tag with <syntaxhighlight>" (view diff)
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btrem edited /svg (-1) "Fix: corrects syntaxhightlight lang attribute" (view diff)