#microformats 2024-06-11

2024-06-11 UTC
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robalex Question about rel-me and Mastodon link verification. I noticed hachyderm was having verified accounts link to this page, which has a rel=me for each approved profile.
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robalex https://github.com/hachyderm/community/blob/main/community.hachyderm.io/content/en/approved/_index.md?plain=1#L28
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robalex I think identity consolidation would cause each of the mastodon profiles to be treated as having a common identity, but these are clearly different corporations. Am I understanding rel-me identity consolidation correctly?
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robalex (I've been writing a rel-me crawler and found a bunch of mastodon accounts grouped because of this page)
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[snarfed] huh, odd. looks like that page on the web is https://community.hachyderm.io/approved/
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[snarfed] you're right, that seems like wrong usage. rel=me means "this is me," not "this is someone else that I've 'approved' somehow"
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aaronpk aren't they using that page to get the mastodon checkmark?
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[snarfed] sure?
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aaronpk Unfortunate overloading I guess?
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[KevinMarks] They should give them each their own profile page. There were other mastodon verification services that did that (eg for journalists)
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[tantek] Thought we had an FAQ on that, as in, don't do that
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[tantek] or rather, if you do that, then you'll all claim to be the same person, which is probably not what you or they want
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robalex thanks!
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[tantek] robalex++ thank you for the heads-up and welcome!
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Loqi robalex has 1 karma over the last year
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[snarfed] [tantek] (from #indieweb-dev) sure! when I enter https://snarfed.org/ into the form on https://h2vx.com/vcf/ and click Download, the POST to /vcf/get-contact.php 500s
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[tantek] got it. Can't help but wonder if something broke with the host auto-upgrade to PHP 8
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[tantek] confirmed. can you file an issue so I don't forget? it may take me a while to get to 😕 https://github.com/microformats/h2vx.com/issues
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[tantek] also if there's anything obvious in the source that would break in PHP8, I'm open to suggestions
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[snarfed] done! https://github.com/microformats/h2vx.com/issues/8
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #8 VCF converter crashes on some input sites
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gRegor Nothing jumps out in the source to me, though I have some recollection of needing to tweak CASSIS for PHP8 in another project, maybe it was the this-week newsletter code. Does that ring a bell, aaronpk?
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gRegor So maybe the cassis on h2vx needs to be updated
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gRegor common.php includes cassis.js
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[Joe_Crawford] I see a fair number of presumptions of http vs https that might be tripping points
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[tantek] interesting. I supposed the nice thing about being stuck in 500 land is live fix attempts are unlikely to make it worse
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gRegor get-contact.php is checking for http or https, though only in lowercase. Wouldn't cause a 500, though.
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[Joe_Crawford] Is the `tidy` class available to php?
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gRegor Good q, if that was a mod in the previous PHP version might not have carried over
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[tantek] I think I had to ask for the tidy extension to be installed previously
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[tantek] wow ok it has been a while since I touched this code
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[Joe_Crawford] made it work. making a PR
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[Joe_Crawford] https://github.com/microformats/h2vx.com/pull/9 FWIW
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[tantek] wow wat
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[tantek] and I had just confirmed that tidy *is* installed
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[tantek] PHP Version 8.1.27
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[Joe_Crawford] yeah, my local install of 8 has it too. I had no idea tidy was hidden in amongst the php code.
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[Joe_Crawford] PHP'S GOT EVERYTHING
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[Joe_Crawford] and let me say times like these I'm so happy I can do `php -S 127.0.0.1:8000` to run a webserver. It's still magic to me.
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[tantek] yup that makes sense [Joe_Crawford]. that cassis.php is I'm assuming the latest version from the CASSIS repo, whereas the old cassis.js in the site is from 2010!
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[Joe_Crawford] Derp. No. I removed cassis.js from the php side. Just made a php file and did a require on it.
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[Joe_Crawford] I have no illusions it's what you *want* to happen. But my brain is *make it do the thing* not _let's preserve the intent_
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[Joe_Crawford] `ob_start();`
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[Joe_Crawford] `include 'cassis.js';`
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[Joe_Crawford] `ob_end_clean();` -- no longer does what it once did. maybe it should be `require` or `require_once` ? no idear
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[tantek] oh? did that change in a non-backward compatible way?
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[Joe_Crawford] the ob_start and get clean is about buffering output
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[Joe_Crawford] I'd want to see what your php error logs showed
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[Joe_Crawford] https://www.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php `include()` ought to parse whatever is passed as php. But for some reason it didn't work.
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[tantek] yes the ob_start and ob_end_clean is about making sure bits of cassis.js don't end up in the PHP output by accident
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[tantek] hence the buffering / cleaning
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[tantek] looks like I don't even have a local copy to install on this current laptop, that's how long it's been since I've touched the site
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] when you say you "Just made a php file", is that not the cassis.php from https://github.com/tantek/cassis/blob/main/cassis.php ?
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[Joe_Crawford] no I copied cassis.js into cassis.php
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[Joe_Crawford] I also removed anything that was bare html that might output. Just plopped in a `<?php`
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gRegor Nothing should have changed about output buffering in PHP8 afaik
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[Joe_Crawford] _`/* if you see this in the browser, you need to wrap your include of cassis.js with calls to ob_start and ob_end_clean, e.g. use the following in your PHP: ob_start(); include 'cassis.js'; ob_end_clean(); <?php`_
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[Joe_Crawford] It amazes me that that could work
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[tantek] I'd rather use the cassis.php in the repo instead of one that's one-time hand constructed
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[tantek] "amazes me that that could work" <- why? it's literally what my site's been doing with its inclusion of cassis in the server-side PHP code
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gRegor I thought the cassis.php was compiled from the .js, didn't aaronpk add that at some point?
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[tantek] gRegor yes that's my point
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[Joe_Crawford] Because I don't think like you Tantek. 🙂 To me, a file ought to be either a JS file or a PHP file or I get dizzy.
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[tantek] that's the version checked into GH that I linked to
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[Joe_Crawford] But I'm glad it worked! 🙂
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] I'm lazy and I like simpler things, like fewer files
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gRegor lol
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gRegor lesscode++
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Loqi lesscode has 1 karma over the last year
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[Joe_Crawford] I appreciate the linguistic novelty.
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[tantek] more than novelty, it's helped me write less code
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[tantek] basically, any "business logic" or computation, string manipulation, form validation etc. can be done that way
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[Joe_Crawford] ```function string($n) {
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[Joe_Crawford] if (js()) {
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[Joe_Crawford] if (typeof($n)=="number")
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[Joe_Crawford] return Number($n).toString();
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[Joe_Crawford] else if (typeof($n)=="undefined")
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[Joe_Crawford] return "";
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[Joe_Crawford] else return $n.toString();
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[Joe_Crawford] }
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[Joe_Crawford] else { return "" . $n; }
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[Joe_Crawford] }```
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[Joe_Crawford] Let's add Perl support while we're in there.
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[tantek] yeah, I prefer the more succinct PHP functions as opposed to the wordier camelCase JS ugly names
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[tantek] Perl's syntax is too incompatible
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gRegor Schrödinger's code :)
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] Added a commit to my PR to pull from Cassis v0.1
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[Joe_Crawford] cut and paste, that is
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[Joe_Crawford] I *do* like the idea of creating, say, an Interface that 2 files in different languages ought to adhere to. I think a foo.js and a foo.php (and a foo.pl!) that all referenced a common file that defined what public functions classes and methods ought to exist in there might be neat. Heck, might already exist.